Thanks Outlander I was just thinking out loadDavid Punshon if I was correct in what you were asking I changed the MAX OR to your specification and adapted the sheet , I don't think it made any significant difference to the returned ratings at all, the last 3 columns that calculate performance v expectation were rendered useless as just the horses that had 0 MAX OR were obviously the highest ranked so I deleted these now redundant columns.
Personally I don't think this change added any value to the template.
My main reason for asking was basically to try if possible and assess some sort of performance rating for Maiden races where in say a horse with no rating beats runners with ratings of say 80, 78 etcDavid Punshon if I was correct in what you were asking I changed the MAX OR to your specification and adapted the sheet , I don't think it made any significant difference to the returned ratings at all, the last 3 columns that calculate performance v expectation were rendered useless as just the horses that had 0 MAX OR were obviously the highest ranked so I deleted these now redundant columns.
Personally I don't think this change added any value to the template.
Not sure if it would be helpful in establishing a performance rating in this way.My main reason for asking was basically to try if possible and assess some sort of performance rating for Maiden races where in say a horse with no rating beats runners with ratings of say 80, 78 etc
I am at the same point as yourself in that I am trying to produce my own BHA "STYLE" performance figure for the lightly raced runners but it is very tough/if at all possible to fully automate these figures. I am trying to produce a base value with manual adjustments for visual/pace etcNot sure if it would be helpful in establishing a performance rating in this way.
To be honest on the more complicated sheet I use that require some manual input , I have recently been attempting to calculate a performance rating that takes elements of speed, class, weight etc to try and produce as accurately as possible a BHA style handicap performance figure to compare with the OR in the next race, I have been happy with it, the calculations seem to be useful.
But being completely honest I still don't think I have the standard times as accurate as I need them for the flat so my flat ratings still a work in progress until i'm satisfied.
I am fairly excited about where I am with my NH ratings and been testing against old cards after some success at Cheltenham this year, they seem to top rank a lot of Cheltenham handicap winners over the last few years, but i'm not using standard times for NH I use quadratic equations.
At this point i'm light years ahead with my NH ratings compared to flat and unfortunately use of quadratic equations doesn't work at all with flat racing.
If I get a performance rating calculation i'm 100% happy with I will add them to the template, but at the moment that is a work in progress.
Yes the templates I post on this thread are very basic and for really for beginners to get an idea how you could produce ratings in seconds and could input your own standards to make them unique to you.I am at the same point as yourself in that I am trying to produce my own BHA "STYLE" performance figure for the lightly raced runners but it is very tough/if at all possible to fully automate these figures. I am trying to produce a base value with manual adjustments for visual/pace etc
I'm pretty sure you can automate everything to a least the standard of the BHA handicappers, that is saying a lot because I believe the BHA to be superior to RPR or Timeform. But people out there are already automating to an accuracy level we can only dream of, this week I looked at the Timeform database because it is open access, I know for certain I can produce speed figures automatically superior to their NH timefigures.Your excel skills are vastly superior to what I have been using, the problem being I believe we want to automate everything when in reality there are just certain elements that can't
In your performance rating do you take in to account Intent/Win ExpectationNot sure if it would be helpful in establishing a performance rating in this way.
To be honest on the more complicated sheet I use that require some manual input , I have recently been attempting to calculate a performance rating that takes elements of speed, class, weight etc to try and produce as accurately as possible a BHA style handicap performance figure to compare with the OR in the next race, I have been happy with it, the calculations seem to be useful.
But being completely honest I still don't think I have the standard times as accurate as I need them for the flat so my flat ratings still a work in progress until i'm satisfied.
I am fairly excited about where I am with my NH ratings and been testing against old cards after some success at Cheltenham this year, they seem to top rank a lot of Cheltenham handicap winners over the last few years, but i'm not using standard times for NH I use quadratic equations.
At this point i'm light years ahead with my NH ratings compared to flat and unfortunately use of quadratic equations doesn't work at all with flat racing.
If I get a performance rating calculation i'm 100% happy with I will add them to the template, but at the moment that is a work in progress.
No I don’t even know what that means, all the stuff I try to do is simple , I don’t have anything more sophisticated than the time, weight, class.In your performance rating do you take in to account Intent/Win Expectation
Pardon my ignorance but what does the advanced filter provideSo i have been messing around with outlanders excellent template and added an advanced filter, i did originally make it with a user form but for some reason part of it is not working properly now so got to go over it all again but i also made this version with the advanced filter it may be useful and i did ask his permission first as it his work all i have done is create the advanced filter.
Can i make a suggestion to your spradsheet, you might consider adding time to column BD as part of the keys, so that it will rank each horse per race, rather than ranking each horse per daySo i have been messing around with outlanders excellent template and added an advanced filter, i did originally make it with a user form but for some reason part of it is not working properly now so got to go over it all again but i also made this version with the advanced filter it may be useful and i did ask his permission first as it his work all i have done is create the advanced filter.
If you rank each horse by race whats the point that's basically the same as the finishing order for that race, it means very little. The whole point of the spreadsheet is to rate a whole meeting for speed and the ranking are just a way of highlighting which horse ran fastest compared to expectation at the meeting. Of course when I posted it up I said you could add in your own personal standard times or change calculations if you didn't like mine, you would make the change you mention and tailor it to suit your own ideas if you wished.Can i make a suggestion to your spradsheet, you might consider adding time to column BD as part of the keys, so that it will rank each horse per race, rather than ranking each horse per day
Hi Cashelman this is a problem you will encounter a lot at the likes of Bellewstown , they change the distances constantly , the standard is for 1760 yds but the race yesterday was 1736 yds, what you do is manually change the yards in the HRB yard column to 1760 and then in the next column headed rail move input -24.Morning O Outlander I see on your spreadsheet for Bellewstown there was a distance just short of a mile so it has not picked up as standard time do you have a standard time for this distance