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pawras
Stallion
Chesham
Sire
The yanks seem to like exotica bets and would have only cost you 24 tickets (Stakes) to win £560
pawras
Stallion
I built a thing to model betting on exactas and trifectas but haven't had much success yet finding a profitable angle
Chesham
Sire
I think it needs the ones who you top rate with your software model to include say minimum odds for one of the 3 to be 7/2 and the others at bigger odds ie 5/1 & 6/1 or longer , that way when you do his the exacta or Trifecta the pay out will be better
pawras
Stallion
that's kind of the direction I've been going in my data mining panning for gold , I found something re straight exactas on the AW but I need to get time to look at it further. But trifectas no dice so far
using last 365 days form.
Reasons:
This is the most balanced runner statistically.
But slightly older (6yo) and not outstanding at the trip.
Positives:
Negatives:
This profile often gets overbet.
Updated Probability Ranking – Southwell 20:15
| Rank | Horse | Win Probability |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Dark Side Thunder | 19% |
| 2 | Jesse Luc | 17% |
| 3 | Ruby Red Gove | 14% |
| 4 | One More Dream | 11% |
| 5 | Velvet Skies | 9% |
| 6 | Dc Cogent | 8% |
| 7 | Farandaway | 6% |
| 8 | D Flawless | 5% |
| 9 | Judgment Call | 4% |
| 10 | Crystal Dagger | 3% |
| 11 | Hi Lord | 2% |
| 12 | Brave Empire | 2% |
Key Observations
Dark Side Thunder – now the most solid profile
Reasons:
- TS 71 (best speed figure in the race)
- Competitive score 1504
- Proven at Class 5
- Carries a fair 9-9 weight
This is the most balanced runner statistically.
Jesse Luc – still a major player
- Highest overall score (1532)
- Solid TS 67
- Very experienced at this level.
But slightly older (6yo) and not outstanding at the trip.
Ruby Red Gove – still risky
Positives:
- Highest OR (74)
Negatives:
- Top weight 9-13
- Only one run in conditions
This profile often gets overbet.
markfinn
Sire
Southwell 20:15 — Class 5, 1336m, 10 March 2026
Race Type: TIGHT (OR-T spread only 5.06lbs) — conditions/intent likely decisive. Front runners strongly favoured (Led IV 1.53, Prominent IV 1.33, Held Up IV 0.65).
Two Views
OR View picks: Jesse Luc & Farandaway
Conditions View picks: Dark Side Thunder & One More Dream (both score 6/7 — C&D, pace versatile, weight proven, SR proven, owner intent)
No agreement — this is a genuine puzzle race.
Analysis
Jesse Luc is the clear OR-T leader at 28.13 — a full 1.3 points clear of Farandaway. Trainer Mike Murphy has an exceptional 41.2% course record and the trainer-jockey combo with Callum Shepherd hits 66.7% (6/9). Owner intent confirmed (25% local, 60 runs). Weight proven to 156lbs — no issue there. The problem is stark: 100% held-up runner in a race where front runners dominate at IV 1.53 vs held-up IV 0.65. That's a significant structural disadvantage in a tight race. LTO form 3,5,4 — nothing since September. The ability is there but pace is genuinely against him.Farandaway is the cleanest ELITE horse on conditions — C&D winner, versatile pace, weight proven, owner intent confirmed. No handicap wins in 2 years is a concern (SR: UNKNOWN), but LTO placed record at the track at 25% suggests live. Trainer Grant Tuer 28.6% at course. Straightforward profile with no red flags beyond the SR unknown.
Dark Side Thunder is compelling from the conditions angle — scores 6/7, ELITE tier, C&D record 28.6%, SR proven at 20.9% (3 wins from 22), weight proven at exactly 135lbs (won at that weight Dec 2025), versatile pace. Owner Foulger has 22.4% locally across 205 runs — a genuine targeting owner. LTO form 8,4,12 is poor but the horse has clearly been freshened (27 days). Age 7 is noted. The strongest conditions case in the race.
One More Dream also scores 6/7 and has a remarkable strike record — 6 wins from 40 runs in 2 years, 14 wins at this course from 45 runs (31%). But LTO 12,8,10 is a significant red flag. Running on OR of 68 vs last winning OR of 65 — slightly above winning mark. Age 7 adds caution.
Velvet Skies is the best genuine improver — poss OR diff -4, dropped class, LTO valid (5,3,2), weight proven to 142lbs. But no C&D form at all and jockey D J Murphy is UNKNOWN at Southwell. Intent flag is NO. Hard to commit without course evidence.
Ruby Red Gove won last time out (8 days ago), IMPROVING, but carrying 5lbs more than proven — unproven at 139lbs against a max proven of 134lbs. That's a real query.
Conclusion
This is a tight race structurally. The OR says Jesse Luc but the pace bias argues strongly against a horse that has never led or raced prominently in winning form.The two most capable horses given all factors:
1. Farandaway — ELITE OR-T, C&D winner, versatile, no pace penalty, owner intent, clean profile. The race falls in his lap if Jesse Luc is disadvantaged by pace.
2. Dark Side Thunder — Best conditions score in the race, proven at this weight, proven course performer with an excellent targeting owner, fresh (27 days), versatile pace. The conditions case is strong.
And yet Jesse Luc has a great record here (3 wins and two 2nds) and only ever won or placed 2nd while recording H Held Up ?
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mlmrob
Sire
Jese Luc was third in this last year off 66 and maybe good enough off 4lbs higher as the gelding won twice after running here taking his mark up to 76. He is 0-7 off marks above 70 so is handicapped to win again.
Callum Shepherd is 2-6 on him and Jesse Luc's record over 6f off 70 or less and in a tongue tie reads 6-14 with a further 4 places, Shepherd 2-3.
Callum Shepherd is 2-6 on him and Jesse Luc's record over 6f off 70 or less and in a tongue tie reads 6-14 with a further 4 places, Shepherd 2-3.
markfinn
Sire
I really struggle trying to use pace stats - Bottom line: if you Ignore PACE Jesse Luc is an clear NAP. The trainer stats alone (41% course, 67% with this jockey) are among the strongest numbers in the dataset. Farandaway remains the each-way alternative. The pace void caveat means the original analysis wasn't black and white either — this is a race where Jesse Luc's pace disadvantage may be overstated.
Chesham
Sire
Summary Table
(Note: Data filtered to display relevant contenders to isolate betting value. Averages marked with an asterisk () are calculated using available completed runs only).*| Horse Name | Avg Rtg | Diff vs Median OR (68.5) | Avg PRB² | Avg PR % | Primary IP Style | In-Play Flag | Current Odds |
| Ruby Red Gove | 74.26 | +5.76 | 0.55 | 38.06% | Prominent (3/2/1) |  Unexposed | 4/1 |
| Jesse Luc | 72.66 | +4.16 | 0.39 | 37.43% | Hold Up (5/3/4) |  Travels well (k) | 11/4 F |
| Farandaway | 71.27 | +2.77 | 0.39 | 28.89% | Mid-Division (3) | Neutral | 4/1 |
| Velvet Skies | 69.13 | +0.63 | 0.60 | 57.22% | Prominent (2/3) | Neutral | 11/2 |
| Dc Cogent | 69.32 | +0.82 | 0.53 | 50.00% | Hold Up (4/3) | Neutral | 9/2 |
| Dark Side Thunder | 64.84 | -3.66 | 0.16 | 17.99% | Variable (3/2/5) |  Wide/Vulnerable | 9/1 |
| D Flawless | 62.36 | -6.14 | 0.30 | 39.35% | Prominent (2/1) | Too Free | 12/1 (SP) |
| Hi Lord | 60.14 | -8.36 | 0.10 | 4.05% | Prominent (2/3) | Neutral | 14/1 |
| Judgment Call | 60.19 | -8.31 | 0.32 | 29.04% | Prominent (2) | Neutral | 16/1 |
| Crystal Dagger | 51.31 | -17.19 | 0.27 | 14.81% | Prominent (2/3) | Poor Attitude (§) | 16/1 |
| Brave Empire | 63.26 | -5.24 | 0.13 | 4.52% | Variable (5/1/2) | Weakens | 20/1 |
| One More Dream | 52.34 | -16.16 | 0.03 | -25.18% | Hold Up (5/4/2) | Out of form | 22/1 |
Pace Map & In-Play Value Strategy 
1. The Pace Scenario (Congested & Vulnerable): This is a maximum 12-runner field over 6f at Southwell. A huge percentage of this field wants to be on the sharp end:- Ruby Red Gove (1), D Flawless (1/2), Hi Lord (2), Judgment Call (2), Crystal Dagger (2), and Velvet Skies (2)all press the pace.
- Furthermore, D Flawless was flagged by Timeform for doing "too much too soon" on the front end recently.
- Result: It is extremely likely this race will feature a blistering, unsustainable early gallop, severely punishing the front-runners.
Dc Cogent (9/2) He is perfectly positioned tactically to destroy this field.- The Tactics: His IP profile (4/3) shows he loves to be held up off the pace. With half the field attacking each other early, he will be sitting in the slipstream waiting to pounce.
- The Data: He is incredibly consistent. He has a strong PRB² (0.53) and an excellent PR% (50.00%). Timeform explicitly noted last time out: "Wasn't seen to best effect and is worth treating as if still in form; raced off the pace, not clear run 2f out, switched over 1f out, headway soon after, stayed on, nearest at the finish." If he gets a clear run through the tiring leaders, he will win.
Jesse Luc (11/4 F) He holds the highest average Class Rating of the older horses and also sits off the pace (IP 4/5), which is ideal. However, he is a risky favorite.- The IP Profile: Last time out, he missed the break (s). Two starts ago, he refused to settle (P). He is talented but highly volatile. Dc Cogent is the much safer option at a bigger price.
Ruby Red Gove (4/1) She is the anomaly in the field because she is an unexposed 4-year-old filly with only 4 career runs.- The Data: Her win last time out produced a 73.50 Class Rating and a 78 TFR (the highest recent Timeform Rating in the field).
- The Tactic: While she likes to race prominently, she didn't lead last time out until the final furlong. If David Nolan can tuck her in behind the suicidal early pace, her raw class might be enough to overcome the older, exposed geldings.
Crystal Dagger (16/1) While her odds are already large, she is an atrocious betting proposition. She carries the dreaded § (poor attitude) flag from Timeform, who noted she "failed to impress with her attitude when initially coming under pressure".Progressive Horses Analysis 
Because this is a Class 5 handicap filled with exposed older horses, true progression is rare. However, one younger horse is thriving.The Improver: RUBY RED GOVE
- Class Rating Trajectory: 77.00 → 72.28 → 73.50
- Timeform Rating (TFR) Trajectory: 73 → 70 → 78
- Timeform Speed (Tfig) Trajectory: 70 → 44 → 68
- Analysis: Ignore the middle run over 5f (which Timeform noted was too short). Returning to 6f last time out on handicap debut, her Timeform Rating spiked to a 78. As the Timeform analyst wrote: "won a touch cosily and this needn't prove her limit." She is the only horse in the field with a rising ceiling.
- The withdrawal of D Flawless removes one prominent racer from the field, but the addition of the RaceIQ tracking data reveals exactly how the early stages of this 6f sprint are going to unfold.
Integrating these micro-level biomechanical metrics with our macro-level algorithmic pace map provides a crystal-clear picture of the tactical battle at Southwell.
Here is how the RaceIQ data supercharges the initial report.
1. The Early Speed Duel (0-20 mph)
- The RaceIQ Data: Both Velvet Skies and Hi Lord have finished 1st for 0-20 mph acceleration in 50% of their recent starts.
- The Synergy: This metric measures pure, explosive gate speed. The algorithm had already flagged both horses as prominent racers (IP 2), but this data confirms how they get there. Drawn in stall 10 (Velvet Skies) and stall 7 (Hi Lord), both horses are going to absolutely rocket out of the gates to cross the field and secure the rail.
- The Tactical Impact: This guarantees the blistering early pace we initially predicted. Because Ruby Red Gove (IP 1) is drawn in stall 8, right between these two speedsters, jockey David Nolan will have to make a split-second decision: burn massive energy to go with them, or take a tactical sit.
2. The Closer's Arsenal (Finishing Speed %)
- The RaceIQ Data: Jesse Luc has finished 1st for Finishing Speed Percentage (FSP) in 3 of his last 6 completions.
- The Synergy: FSP measures how fast a horse runs the final furlongs relative to their average speed for the whole race. A high FSP indicates a potent late turn of foot.
- The Tactical Impact: This data point elevates Jesse Luc significantly. The algorithm flagged him as a risk because he can pull hard and miss the break (P, s). However, knowing he possesses the most devastating late sprint in the field makes him the perfect horse for this specific race shape. If the 0-20 mph speedsters (Velvet Skies, Hi Lord) set a frantic pace, Jesse Luc's elite Finishing Speed Percentage will allow him to mow them down late.
3. The Human Element (Jockey Strike Rates)
- Ruby Red Gove (David Nolan - 20.00% SR): The algorithm already loved this unexposed 4-year-old filly (the only progressive profile in the race with a 78 Timeform Rating last time out). Adding a jockey operating at a 20% strike rate provides immense confidence. If Nolan navigates the early speed duel cleverly from stall 8, she is a massive threat.
- Brave Empire (Darragh Keenan - 27.27% SR): The algorithm flagged Brave Empire as a weak profile (4.52% PR). However, a jockey riding out of his skin with a 27% strike rate means you cannot entirely dismiss him at 22/1, especially since the Timeform notes highlighted he had a valid excuse (caught wide) last time out.
Revised Final Verdict
The RaceIQ data perfectly validates the projected pace collapse while highlighting the exact horses equipped to exploit it.
The Elite Closer: Jesse Luc (7/2)
The algorithmic warning about him missing the break is actually mitigated by the RaceIQ data. Because the pace will be so fast early on, missing the break might force him to settle at the back of the pack. Once they turn for home, his proven #1 ranked Finishing Speed Percentage makes him the most mathematically potent closer in the race.
The Solid Value Play: Dc Cogent (6/1)
He remains an exceptionally strong play. While Jesse Luc has the explosive late speed metrics, Dc Cogent is the highly consistent, reliable grinder. Sitting off the pace (IP 4), he won't be involved in the 0-20 mph burn-up. At 6/1, he is a fantastic Each-Way or In-Play back-to-lay trade as he hits the line hard.
The Pace Trap: Velvet Skies (6/1) & Hi Lord (16/1)
Their elite 0-20 mph metrics look great on paper, but in a 6f handicap at Southwell, using all your fuel in the first furlong is tactical suicide. They will likely lead the field to the 1f marker before being swamped by the closers.
Michael231
Gelding
My ratings for the race today.
No surprise here, although One more dream does have a good form score and could be a good E/W bet at 28s
No surprise here, although One more dream does have a good form score and could be a good E/W bet at 28s
| Time | Course | Horse | Form | Class | Rating |
20:15 | Southwell | One More Dream | 43 | 6 | 61.8 |
20:15 | Southwell | Jesse Luc | 37 | 6 | 75.2 |
20:15 | Southwell | Velvet Skies | 36 | 6 | 63.7 |
20:15 | Southwell | Crystal Dagger | 35 | 6 | 52.7 |
20:15 | Southwell | Brave Empire | 30 | 6 | 47.8 |
20:15 | Southwell | D Flawless | 26 | 6 | 44.7 |
20:15 | Southwell | Hi Lord | 25 | 6 | 40.8 |
20:15 | Southwell | Judgment Call | 35 | 6 | 55.7 |
20:15 | Southwell | Ruby Red Gove | 26 | 6 | 67 |
20:15 | Southwell | Farandaway | 29 | 6 | 57.3 |
20:15 | Southwell | Dark Side Thunder | 35 | 6 | 55.7 |
20:15 | Southwell | Dc Cogent | 30 | 6 | 55.1 |
DuckandDive
Mare
Farandaway 5/1+ aligns well. Has a dubious 0-15 record, but seems to be coming to hand, dropping to a fair mark.
