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Hong Kong Speed Figures

Saturday racing this week for a twilight meeting (afternoon Europe). Results added. A little late, sorry.

The horse mentioned earlier in thread, Parent's Love seemed to go off way too fast and weakened quickly in the final sectional in a race marred by the fall of 3 horses, Seasons Wit perhaps would have won the race.
 

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SHA TIN 28/06/2025 -
Short day for me: I eliminate the races on the AWT, races over 5f and races > 8f
R4R6R9
COPARTNER FLEETSOLAR RIVERSUGAR BALL
LOVEISINTHEAIRLUCKY MY WAYROMAN CROWN
SHINE BRIGHTDAY DAY VICTORYONLY U
BETTER AND BETTERSOLID IMPACTRIDING TOGETHER
SUNNY SING SPIRITMAJESTIC DELIGHTKA YING GLORY
 
mobilised by conversation on another thread decided to rate jockeys by handicap weight effect, first go so don't know if its valid.
3 years data Hong Kong only rating in pounds
jockeycountaverage lbscount<10spaverage lbs<10spRating
Z Purton
1933​
1.702582​
1718​
2.150952​
2.03​
J Kah
29​
1.195749​
14​
1.293292​
1.25​
J Moreira
64​
0.39183​
39​
1.591651​
1.17​
R Moore
80​
0.213147​
50​
1.508475​
1.06​
J McDonald
302​
0.409401​
206​
1.352299​
1.04​
C Y Ho
1335​
-0.22068​
653​
1.84188​
1.01​
B Shinn
79​
-0.18922​
25​
2.2​
0.97​
S De Sousa
434​
-0.26951​
216​
1.715479​
0.92​
H Bowman
1518​
-0.03938​
991​
1.044445​
0.68​
R Kingscote
42​
-0.78356​
12​
2.2​
0.59​
C Williams
27​
0.798783​
11​
0.423681​
0.59​
K Teetan
1891​
-0.86712​
866​
0.760699​
0.07​
A Atzeni
1160​
-1.1801​
400​
1.250311​
0.06​
M Barzalona
43​
-0.89943​
14​
0.584474​
-0.17​
A Badel
1587​
-1.46646​
519​
0.791306​
-0.35​
H Bentley
1292​
-1.56826​
366​
1.069367​
-0.36​
B Avdulla
1106​
-1.502​
386​
0.628343​
-0.41​
L Hewitson
1740​
-1.51842​
559​
0.684387​
-0.44​
L Ferraris
1321​
-1.59136​
396​
0.691369​
-0.51​
E C W Wong
517​
-1.68903​
189​
0.406576​
-0.59​
K C Leung
1466​
-1.89261​
377​
0.940843​
-0.66​
C L Chau
1179​
-1.94016​
278​
1.012884​
-0.72​
M Chadwick
1598​
-1.8405​
435​
0.569195​
-0.76​
Y L Chung
1425​
-1.99369​
414​
0.341835​
-0.91​
M F Poon
1408​
-2.10642​
290​
0.499796​
-1.11​
P N Wong
201​
-2.36072​
57​
0.027219​
-1.26​
J Orman
193​
-2.30125​
38​
0.149857​
-1.39​
K De Melo
636​
-2.31315​
110​
-0.04582​
-1.54​
M L Yeung
1070​
-2.6439​
146​
1.150175​
-1.54​
K H Chan
258​
-2.44808​
34​
0.372384​
-1.65​
M Dee
103​
-2.65289​
25​
-0.50638​
-1.75​
A Hamelin
1004​
-2.55912​
170​
-0.46689​
-1.85​
R Maia
221​
-2.65743​
35​
-0.17863​
-1.86​
T Marquand
50​
-2.32019​
12​
-1.47163​
-1.96​
V Borges
247​
-2.58943​
18​
-0.05682​
-2.14​
A Pouchin
105​
-2.74485​
20​
-1.45017​
-2.27​
B Thompson
610​
-3.12442​
61​
0.178035​
-2.36​
L Currie
367​
-3.03611​
37​
-0.25876​
-2.39​
H T Mo
405​
-3.88029​
26​
-0.41926​
-3.32​
 
Trainers same method
countaverage lbscount<10spaverage lbs<10spRatingRating
K W Lui
1499​
-0.2075​
623​
2.2​
1.128492​
J Size
1764​
-0.33472​
837​
1.879915​
0.966085​
D Eustace
327​
-0.67452​
144​
1.874199​
0.776135​
P F Yiu
1578​
-0.69661​
639​
1.509369​
0.513366​
M Newnham
782​
-0.96007​
295​
1.293853​
0.236524​
C Fownes
1661​
-0.99182​
697​
1.090204​
0.168498​
F C Lor
1666​
-1.12057​
636​
1.280849​
0.161443​
C S Shum
1485​
-1.15984​
578​
1.238165​
0.131911​
D A Hayes
1674​
-1.24834​
620​
1.130967​
0.003925​
A S Cruz
1831​
-1.3102​
642​
1.116251​
-0.0663​
P C Ng
1758​
-1.2962​
715​
0.831335​
-0.12695​
D J Hall
1355​
-1.41672​
488​
0.91154​
-0.20758​
K L Man
1280​
-1.55821​
415​
1.176453​
-0.20983​
W K Mo
731​
-1.54148​
197​
1.360103​
-0.24433​
J Richards
1188​
-1.88883​
395​
0.705889​
-0.59311​
D J Whyte
1476​
-1.826​
460​
0.553207​
-0.67638​
W Y So
1357​
-1.71868​
389​
0.533551​
-0.67733​
T P Yung
1257​
-1.97356​
363​
0.279361​
-0.92777​
L Ho
266​
-2.39408​
70​
0.910769​
-0.93606​
C H Yip
1189​
-2.21363​
294​
0.402847​
-1.09932​
C W Chang
987​
-2.30163​
254​
-0.06289​
-1.32626​
K H Ting
827​
-2.36592​
183​
0.115921​
-1.37571​
Y S Tsui
939​
-2.69763​
197​
0.041254​
-1.63967​
R Gibson
265​
-2.76306​
54​
-0.05149​
-1.73431​
A T Millard
322​
-3.20307​
54​
-1.15895​
-2.51888​
mobilised by conversation on another thread decided to rate jockeys by handicap weight effect, first go so don't know if its valid.
3 years data Hong Kong only rating in pounds
jockeycountaverage lbscount<10spaverage lbs<10spRating
Z Purton
1933​
1.702582​
1718​
2.150952​
2.03​
J Kah
29​
1.195749​
14​
1.293292​
1.25​
J Moreira
64​
0.39183​
39​
1.591651​
1.17​
R Moore
80​
0.213147​
50​
1.508475​
1.06​
J McDonald
302​
0.409401​
206​
1.352299​
1.04​
C Y Ho
1335​
-0.22068​
653​
1.84188​
1.01​
B Shinn
79​
-0.18922​
25​
2.2​
0.97​
S De Sousa
434​
-0.26951​
216​
1.715479​
0.92​
H Bowman
1518​
-0.03938​
991​
1.044445​
0.68​
R Kingscote
42​
-0.78356​
12​
2.2​
0.59​
C Williams
27​
0.798783​
11​
0.423681​
0.59​
K Teetan
1891​
-0.86712​
866​
0.760699​
0.07​
A Atzeni
1160​
-1.1801​
400​
1.250311​
0.06​
M Barzalona
43​
-0.89943​
14​
0.584474​
-0.17​
A Badel
1587​
-1.46646​
519​
0.791306​
-0.35​
H Bentley
1292​
-1.56826​
366​
1.069367​
-0.36​
B Avdulla
1106​
-1.502​
386​
0.628343​
-0.41​
L Hewitson
1740​
-1.51842​
559​
0.684387​
-0.44​
L Ferraris
1321​
-1.59136​
396​
0.691369​
-0.51​
E C W Wong
517​
-1.68903​
189​
0.406576​
-0.59​
K C Leung
1466​
-1.89261​
377​
0.940843​
-0.66​
C L Chau
1179​
-1.94016​
278​
1.012884​
-0.72​
M Chadwick
1598​
-1.8405​
435​
0.569195​
-0.76​
Y L Chung
1425​
-1.99369​
414​
0.341835​
-0.91​
M F Poon
1408​
-2.10642​
290​
0.499796​
-1.11​
P N Wong
201​
-2.36072​
57​
0.027219​
-1.26​
J Orman
193​
-2.30125​
38​
0.149857​
-1.39​
K De Melo
636​
-2.31315​
110​
-0.04582​
-1.54​
M L Yeung
1070​
-2.6439​
146​
1.150175​
-1.54​
K H Chan
258​
-2.44808​
34​
0.372384​
-1.65​
M Dee
103​
-2.65289​
25​
-0.50638​
-1.75​
A Hamelin
1004​
-2.55912​
170​
-0.46689​
-1.85​
R Maia
221​
-2.65743​
35​
-0.17863​
-1.86​
T Marquand
50​
-2.32019​
12​
-1.47163​
-1.96​
V Borges
247​
-2.58943​
18​
-0.05682​
-2.14​
A Pouchin
105​
-2.74485​
20​
-1.45017​
-2.27​
B Thompson
610​
-3.12442​
61​
0.178035​
-2.36​
L Currie
367​
-3.03611​
37​
-0.25876​
-2.39​
H T Mo
405​
-3.88029​
26​
-0.41926​
-3.32​
Trainers seem happy to let Purton ride 2lb overweight, looks a fair call on these figures.
of course he has much more opportunity than other jockeys , this is factored in to my rating.
I think his average position in the market is something like 2.25 , so that tells the story , the public make him favourite all the time.
These ratings just judging lbs advantage, if he is value in the market.
could do similar lbs advantage ratngs for market position and see compare his rating with that expected by his average market position see I’d that enlightens who is best value, I doubt it would be Purton, something for another day
 
Very interesting O Outlander . Which thread is this on?

These are my jockeys based on the percentage of opponents beaten this season. I add Orman to the bottom as he seems to ne a regular rider now.

Chung and Poom are split as their jockey claim changed during the season, though Chung has now a better rating for his lower claim though not many rides on it yet.

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Very interesting O Outlander . Which thread is this on?

These are my jockeys based on the percentage of opponents beaten this season. I add Orman to the bottom as he seems to ne a regular rider now.

Chung and Poom are split as their jockey claim changed during the season, though Chung has now a better rating for his lower claim though not many rides on it yet.

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Was on T tacker thread , how best to read form ? Talking about difference jockeys make.
 
Very interesting O Outlander . Which thread is this on?

These are my jockeys based on the percentage of opponents beaten this season. I add Orman to the bottom as he seems to ne a regular rider now.

Chung and Poom are split as their jockey claim changed during the season, though Chung has now a better rating for his lower claim though not many rides on it yet.

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Orman is firmly on the HK jockeys list now, I believe Hamelin is going back to France and Chan is finished lack of opportunities.
 
Very interesting O Outlander . Which thread is this on?

These are my jockeys based on the percentage of opponents beaten this season. I add Orman to the bottom as he seems to ne a regular rider now.

Chung and Poom are split as their jockey claim changed during the season, though Chung has now a better rating for his lower claim though not many rides on it yet.

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Yeung interested me when doing my ratings, his record is much better on sub 10 odds horses, sticks out a bit for those in similar rank
 
Not much time, racing Tuesday this week at Sha Tin for Chinese National Day.

SHA TIN 28/06/2025 -
Short day for me: I eliminate the races on the AWT, races over 5f and races > 8f
R4R6R9
COPARTNER FLEETSOLAR RIVERSUGAR BALL
LOVEISINTHEAIRLUCKY MY WAYROMAN CROWN
SHINE BRIGHTDAY DAY VICTORYONLY U
BETTER AND BETTERSOLID IMPACTRIDING TOGETHER
SUNNY SING SPIRITMAJESTIC DELIGHTKA YING GLORY
Some good calls first 2 races at least La Cressonnière La Cressonnière
 

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SHA TIN 01/07/2025
R5R8R10R6
LIGHT YEARS CHARMPEARL OF PANG'SMAGNIFICENT NINEBEAUTY GLORY
YOUNG CHAMPIONQUICK CONTRIBUTIONYUEN LONG ELITESOLID WIN
SOLEIL FIGHTERHAPPY UNIVERSEEIGHTY LIGHT YEARSKA YING RADIANCE
TOURBILLON PRINCEVIVA GRACIOUSNESSFLYING LUCKEMBLAZON
CHIU CHOW SPIRITMR COOLEXCELLENCE VALUEINNO SUPER
 
For @ O Outlander Candlelight Dinner seems to have improved since Orman got on, Though a drop in class, move to Happy Valley easier to get home plus return to turf and finally the distance drop last time
Orman seems to have got to the bottom of another freewheeling lunatic Wonderstar, fuel gauges emptied very quickly before he got on them , this type seem to respond to a class drop and giving weight rather than receiving off classier opposition.
 
Orman seems to have got to the bottom of another freewheeling lunatic Wonderstar, fuel gauges emptied very quickly before he got on them , this type seem to respond to a class drop and giving weight rather than receiving off classier opposition.
As you asked a career history of Wonderstar. The interesting thing is 6th run for Tsui after Ng. You wouldn't think a positive after my trainer ratings a few posts above this one.

If we forgive his runs over 1400+ and compare on the run under Britney, nearly a second quicker the first 2 sectionals and similar cslow inish for the final 400m so still a little out of control just a second furthwe down the track. As you predict from my final 400F ratings, the ratings for the last 400m of the race. It is interesting that Orman has got him to finish better the last 2 runs before putting in the faster first sectional yesterday - perhaps the removal of blinkers yesterday was the final help to get him home?

SP wise hasn't gone unnoticed last 3 runs on a very good mark and the drop to Class 4 as well, lots of plusses after timing!

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Results from Tuesday and card for Saturday this week. Seems had missed sectional positions for the previous meeting, so they are added as well.

I have had a look at my speed figures for the first griffin race here and seem a little high for the last race for them. Motor stands out on the ratings for that and when I compare with other Griffin races will drop. I use 3 standards for the 1000m races at Sha Tin and had the medium one for this, will change to the fast after loading up this meeting. Still an excellent effort from Motor, who has run in all the Griffin races and improved with each run. Now back to 6f be interesting to see if he can show the big step up last time.
 

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SHA 05/07/2025 Only 4 races to bet in France
R1R4R10
ALABAMA SONGBEAUTIFUL WINMASTEROFMYUNIVERSE
MOTORFAMILY FORTUNECOLOURFUL KING
WINNING CHAMPIONCELTIC TIMESAERIS NOVA
FIELD MARSHALPERFECT PEACHHARMONY N BLESSED
HARRY'S HEROTOMODACHI KOKOROE
 
My speed rating Ajusted Weight in this race
Horse No.HorseSR WA
7​
ALABAMA SONG
56,0​
4​
MOTOR
55,8​
12​
WINNING CHAMPION
54,8​
9​
FIELD MARSHAL
53,1​
1​
LIGHT YEARS GLORY
53,0​
6​
YOUNG FIGHTER
52,2​
5​
SPARKLE AND GOLD
49,3​
8​
EMERGING STAR
48,0​
2​
KING DANCE
47,3​
Incredible , Alabama Song 5.5 lengths behind Motor on his only ever run and same weights today, sectionals don’t look to be giving encouragement either. Still don’t know how you had it on top. Great stuff.
 
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