Think we might be in for even more fun with Irish National Hunt post lockdown , the other day in Limerick, RP had no standards and had the first 2 races both divisions of a maiden hurdle they had the first one being run on the inner course when clearly they were both run on exactly the same course.
Compiling Speed figures.
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2:45 Newmarket - Caspian Queen
While looking at the 2:45 Newmarket, my initial thoughts were Caspian Queen must be a steering job, the 3/1 price is generous due to John Gosden's Donnybrook being in the race, Caspian Queen is a class 3 horse running in a class 4 race.
Mike.
While looking at the 2:45 Newmarket, my initial thoughts were Caspian Queen must be a steering job, the 3/1 price is generous due to John Gosden's Donnybrook being in the race, Caspian Queen is a class 3 horse running in a class 4 race.
Mike.
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The problems we had with Tipperary on the flat ref the officiaL race distances, continued on their jumps card.
You only had to look at the first ratings column to spot the faux pas, corrected using a going allowance of -1.12s/f.
Mike.
The problems we had with Tipperary on the flat ref the officiaL race distances, continued on their jumps card.
You only had to look at the first ratings column to spot the faux pas, corrected using a going allowance of -1.12s/f.
Mike.
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The race won by Aramon was a very classy affair and the pace was hot, mad front runners at grade 1 level Petit Mouchior and Ornua couldn't lay up with the pace of the leader , the winner has easily ran up to his BHA mark.
In NH use quadratic standards and the card didn't look too strange on fast race and the others all pretty much the same , I had the going at 0.37 s/f slow.
| CD Code | STANDARD |
| Tipperary-National Hunt-3520-H Flat- | 222.47 |
| Tipperary-National Hunt-3520-Hurdle- | 229.25 |
| Tipperary-National Hunt-3740-Chase- | 257.55 |
| Tipperary-National Hunt-3790-Chase- | 261.08 |
| Tipperary-National Hunt-3800-Chase- | 261.79 |
| Tipperary-National Hunt-3960-H Flat- | 253.44 |
| Tipperary-National Hunt-4310-Chase- | 298.72 |
| Tipperary-National Hunt-4400-Chase- | 305.40 |
| Tipperary-National Hunt-4400-H Flat- | 285.43 |
| Tipperary-National Hunt-4400-Hurdle- | 294.13 |
| Tipperary-National Hunt-5060-Chase- | 355.92 |
| Tipperary-National Hunt-5095-Chase- | 358.68 |
| Tipperary-National Hunt-5130-Chase- | 361.44 |
| Tipperary-National Hunt-5280-Hurdle- | 363.20 |
| Tipperary-National Hunt-5380-Hurdle- | 371.31 |
| racetime | track | horse_name | Type | Furlongs | Act Yards | CD Code | Rating | STANDARD | GA |
13:00:00 | Tipperary | King Pellinor (IRE) | Hurdle | 16.00 | 3520 | Tipperary-National Hunt-3520-Hurdle- | 92 | 229.25 | 37 |
13:30:00 | Tipperary | Aramon (GER) | Hurdle | 16.00 | 3520 | Tipperary-National Hunt-3520-Hurdle- | 155 | 229.25 | 37 |
14:00:00 | Tipperary | Shanroe | Hurdle | 16.00 | 3520 | Tipperary-National Hunt-3520-Hurdle- | 114 | 229.25 | 37 |
14:35:00 | Tipperary | Skyace (IRE) | Hurdle | 24.00 | 5280 | Tipperary-National Hunt-5280-Hurdle- | 83 | 363.20 | 37 |
15:05:00 | Tipperary | Slainte And Thanks (IRE) | Hurdle | 20.00 | 4400 | Tipperary-National Hunt-4400-Hurdle- | 62 | 294.13 | 37 |
15:35:00 | Tipperary | Lord Lariat (IRE) | Hurdle | 20.00 | 4400 | Tipperary-National Hunt-4400-Hurdle- | 76 | 294.13 | 37 |
16:05:00 | Tipperary | Hallowed Star (IRE) | H Flat | 16.00 | 3520 | Tipperary-National Hunt-3520-H Flat- | 79 | 222.47 | 37 |
TheBluesBrother
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I have to confess when it comes to the Curragh it takes a lot of thinking and analysis when compiling the speed figures.
Looking at the race video for the 1m (5:45) it looks like they ran on the original 1m course, the trees are in the background!
If you are a one going allowance person, the speed figure you will end up with of the impressive 2yo filly winner Frenetic should go off the scale, possibly the second coming of Pegasus.
FRENETIC made all in a race that was an interesting one to watch. She raced alone on the stands side, virgin ground to all intents and purposes, and as at Navan she showed terrific pace and then quickened up again inside the last to leave the opposition for dead. It was very impressive, and maybe she did have an advantage by racing on the stands rail, but she could have been drawn in Kildare town and still have won this. Looking at the way she hit the line, stepping up to six won't be a problem and there must be a fair chance that she will try and emulate stable companion Siskin and go for the Phoenix Stakes.
Mike.
I have to confess when it comes to the Curragh it takes a lot of thinking and analysis when compiling the speed figures.
Looking at the race video for the 1m (5:45) it looks like they ran on the original 1m course, the trees are in the background!
If you are a one going allowance person, the speed figure you will end up with of the impressive 2yo filly winner Frenetic should go off the scale, possibly the second coming of Pegasus.
FRENETIC made all in a race that was an interesting one to watch. She raced alone on the stands side, virgin ground to all intents and purposes, and as at Navan she showed terrific pace and then quickened up again inside the last to leave the opposition for dead. It was very impressive, and maybe she did have an advantage by racing on the stands rail, but she could have been drawn in Kildare town and still have won this. Looking at the way she hit the line, stepping up to six won't be a problem and there must be a fair chance that she will try and emulate stable companion Siskin and go for the Phoenix Stakes.
Mike.
TheBluesBrother not had chance to do yesterdays Curragh card yet, but I can say for certain the 5.45 was run on the (new) course. The original mile at the Curragh that the vast majority of mile races are run on has a tall white picket fence in the background at the start. The (new) course they run straight for 4 furlongs or more until the bend into the straight, the original 1 mile they run straight for just over a furlong before a turn that puts them on the same straight as the 5, 6, 7 furlong races. So far the data (limited) says the (new) mile standard time is much stiffer than the original .Not at my computer so this is all from memory but during lockdown when I was looking at the standards for the Curragh I was wondering if the 5f standard was too strict, fast horses like El Astronaute, Caspian Prince , Fairyland etc had ran there in decent times but always being a few pounds off what you could expect from there form levels, but this season Strong Johnson ( runs today) smashed up the 5f course way ahead of his handicap mark, there was a theory I think from J Jamie_E on this thread that they might have run on a fast strip on the 5f that day, the runner up franked the form with a lovely win in midweek so I’m still a believer atm.
But you now also questioning another flying 5f performance and analysis mentioning the fast strip , so maybe something to bear in mind .
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Outlander It looks like my observation and regarding which 1m course was in use at the Curragh yesterday looks to have been correct ref
Irishracing.com.
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That’s weird don’t think they actually know which course they ran on !!!!
It looks like my observation and regarding which 1m course was in use at the Curragh yesterday looks to have been correct ref
Irishracing.com.
View attachment 85424
Mike.
It looks like my observation and regarding which 1m course was in use at the Curragh yesterday looks to have been correct ref
Irishracing.com.
View attachment 85424
Mike.
TheBluesBrother that is just the going report for both courses, you can take it from me 100% the 5.45 yesterday was on the (new)mile.Just above the winners name click on the Race Conditions tab and it states race run on new mile course, as per
Cashelman previous screenshot .
TheBluesBrother Add yesterday’s 5.45 to the above list and that is the complete list of every race run on the (new) mile since 2017, it is very rarely used .Strong Johnson backers got it done, just!
That was my theory and the sprint races this weekend have supported it for me.In other news, Overwrite won easily today franking the Britannia form, if it needed any franking.
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The BHA scored a home goal letting Leicester go-ahead last night, all races were tape start due to only four stall handlers turning up due to the lockdown.
I will be very surprised if Leicester race again this year, just to correct the distance/going anomalies, I had two going allowances of +0.96s/f and +0.50s/f.
If I had to sum up this meeting it was nothing more than total garbage...
Mike.
I will be very surprised if Leicester race again this year, just to correct the distance/going anomalies, I had two going allowances of +0.96s/f and +0.50s/f.
If I had to sum up this meeting it was nothing more than total garbage...
Mike.
TheBluesBrother i think you should ignore the Leicester card until someone times the races properly.I had a going allowance of fast 0.82s/f this is unheard of on my scale . I looked to see which race was the fastest v expectation thus the primary cause of th ridiculous going allowance and discovered it was 5.45 won by Kraka.
The time was 67.6 , I watched the video paused at the start and the finish and the clock on the video say the race took at least 70 seconds. Not looked at any other races but it is clear not to except times from this meeting until someone times them with a stopwatch instead on using the 1 Mississippi 2 Mississippi method.
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@TheBluesBrother i think you should ignore the Leicester card until someone times the races properly.
In cases like this, you would be better off cutting a table tennis ball in half sticking them in your eyes and start calling everybody "grasshopper" (Kung Fu), if you ask the clerk of the course at Leicester did they use the 1 Mississippi 2 Mississippi method he will no doubt say yes.
Mike.
I know it's not going to be 100% accurate but in the absence of anything even remotely accurate, I timed them using a stopwatch.
58.5
58.8
70
82.6
103.6
100.7
123.2
151.6
154.2
Petit Bay time a lot faster, Kraka a lot slower were the highlights of my findings
0.54 s/f fast going firm
Petit bay and Rosa Gold horses to take out of the meeting
58.5
58.8
70
82.6
103.6
100.7
123.2
151.6
154.2
Petit Bay time a lot faster, Kraka a lot slower were the highlights of my findings
0.54 s/f fast going firm
Petit bay and Rosa Gold horses to take out of the meeting
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