I am not trying to take over the thread and as for the ownership I would say the people who contribute regularly are the owners they keep the show on the road. Whatever consensus comes forward I would hope that it will influence the direction organicallyHave you asked the person who started this threadMySportsAI and not try to take over the direction of this thread
NopeSo you have not askedmarkfinn
Surely it is you trying to steer the thread in the direction that you want and as far as I can see the thread has developed organically by itself.
It appears that way to you Chesham
Think they are ( it was started as advert for the forum a way for new members to start posting without any fear of being judged - the common thread will still remain for those are not interested in the culling of their choices - all you need to do is tart a new thread
Excellent idea
MySportsAI but all i'm saying is this is the wrong approach, what i think you might want to try is a kind of nap of the day or bet of the day where anyone can post any horse they want rather than a race chosen by another person.
What caused the latest interaction was my starting a thread to find out if people prefer NH or flat or both. The reason for finding this out is that the results could be useful in going forward. I will post more about this later. As for the consensus WOC thing I dont think that is a starter for a variety of reasons or at least not on this thread. As people know I am a regular contributor to this thread and have no intention of hijacking it as one poster suggested
| Horse | Age | Score with possible improvement | Score w/o allowance | Win % | Fair Odds | Win Strike Rate | Hcp W/R (2026 · 2025) |
| Gibbs Island | 5 | 57.5 | 57.5 | 7.93% | 12.6 | 15.00% | 0/4 · 1/3 |
| Morning Mayhem | 5 | 57.5 | 47.5 | 7.93% | 12.6 | 20.00% | 4/14 · 1/4 |
| Nap Hand (IRE) | 6 | 57.5 | 57.5 | 7.93% | 12.6 | 18.00% | 2/7 · 0/3 |
| Brendas Asking (IRE) | 8 | 52.5 | 52.5 | 7.24% | 13.8 | 20.00% | 1/2 · 0/0 |
| Trustintimes | 5 | 50 | 50 | 6.90% | 14.5 | 44.00% | 0/1 · 1/2 |
| Williethebuilder (IRE) | 7 | 47.5 | 47.5 | 6.55% | 15.3 | 22.00% | 2/5 · 1/6 |
| Emerald Time | 5 | 47.5 | 47.5 | 6.55% | 15.3 | 27.00% | 3/6 · 0/0 |
| Moveit Like Minnie (IRE) | 9 | 45 | 45 | 6.21% | 16.1 | 21.00% | 1/5 · 0/7 |
| Fasol | 7 | 45 | 45 | 6.21% | 16.1 | 14.00% | 1/8 · 0/2 |
| Gower Prince | 8 | 42.5 | 42.5 | 5.86% | 17.1 | 13.00% | 1/2 · 0/2 |
| Rightsotom (GER) | 7 | 40 | 40 | 5.52% | 18.1 | 13.00% | 0/1 · 0/2 |
| Indemnity (IRE) | 6 | 37.5 | 37.5 | 5.17% | 19.3 | 20.00% | 1/4 · 3/6 |
| Hamlets Night (IRE) | 5 | 37.5 | 37.5 | 5.17% | 19.3 | 20.00% | 0/4 · 0/0 |
| Zillow | 6 | 37.5 | 37.5 | 5.17% | 19.3 | 19.00% | 0/7 · 2/4 |
| Messerschmitt (IRE) | 5 | 35 | 35 | 4.83% | 20.7 | 10.00% | 0/3 · 0/3 |
| Parchment (FR) | 4 | 35 | 35 | 4.83% | 20.7 | 0.00% | 0/0 · 0/0 |
| Morning Mayhem Ref win: 29 Aug 26 Cartmel 2m1f Hcp Hurdle Cl3, OR 118, 11-7 (Reed). OR 10 above win (check). Weight 5lb below win (Adj −7) = 10 wt pts. Since: 2nd Market Rasen (hd), 2nd Chepstow Cl2 (4L), 6th Cheltenham 2m4f (7.3L). Ref Class 3, today Class 2 = rise. C: no Ascot runs (C?). D: 2m wins Fakenham x2, Uttoxeter. Scholfield 14d 0/14 (2 places), last win 33d, fails 28-day test; Reed 14d 2/12, last win 3d. Prize: last 3 £13k/£26k/£18k, no value drop. Seasonality NH Oct 5yo: Plus. |
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CONVERGENCE ALERT — 8 horse(s) with 3+ signals aligning | Horse | Odds | Signals | Verdict |
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| Trustintimes | 2/1 | strongly backed · RPR ahead of hcp · RPR improving · CD winner · trainer 46% w/Front Runners · SP↓ vs last run |  CONTENDER |
| Messerschmitt | 9/1 | RPR ahead of hcp · RPR improving · C/D winner · SP↓ vs last run |  WATCH |
| Zillow | 33/1  odds≥runners | strongly backed · RPR ahead of hcp · C/D winner · SP↓ vs last run |  STRONGLY BACKED |
| Fasol | 9/1 | Master Rating +3 · RPR ahead of hcp · C/D winner · trainer 31% w/Front Runners |  ELIMINATED |
| Nap Hand | 14/1 | RPR ahead of hcp · C/D winner · trainer 31% w/Front Runners | ELIMINATED |
| Gibbs Island | 12/1 | strongly backed · RPR ahead of hcp · C/D winner | WATCH |
| Rightsotom (GER) | 16/1 odds≥runners | RPR ahead of hcp · trainer 34% w/Front Runners · SP↓ vs last run | ELIMINATED |
| Hamlet's Night | 14/1 | strongly backed · C/D winner · SP↓ vs last run | WATCH |
UNBALANCED RACE • Weight range: 142–168lbs (26lbs spread) • Midpoint: 155.0lbs • Median weight (150.0lbs) is 5.0lbs from midpoint — Bowers filter less reliable • Median OR: 122 (OR ✓ = at/above median)
Pace Map — Expected Early Positions Very hot pace expected| # | Horse | Draw | OR | Odds | Wgt | DSLR | Bowers | Pace Profile | Draw Score | Bonuses | KNN | Final Score | Verdict |
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| 1 | Nap Hand C Gordon / Freddie Gordon | 120 | 14/1 SP 15.0 card: 10/1 | 148 | 12 | #9 | Front Runner 62% FR / 23% HU 9/10 13 runs | — 3/5 Stall |  Drifting badly 11.0→14/1  SP longer than last run (2.9→15.0) | won last run — placed profile ✓ Distance winner Won last run RPR 134 vs OR 120 — well ahead of hcp | RPR 4pts below peak — may be underestimated ✓🏛 BHA OR 78 (card shows 120 — rated lower than card)  RaceIQ FSP 101% last run (Plumpton) — solid finishing pace ✓ Master Rating +0 (as expected) Class rise (Cls 4→2)  12 days — ideal freshness🏋 Trainer 31% with Front Runners (59/188)  IV 1.99 (Strong) — staying trips ✓+5.0 | 20% Weak | 11.14 | ELIMINATED D | |
| 5✓ 0✗ | Going ? | Distance ✓ | Fit ✓ | Form ✓ | Draw ~ | RPR ✓ | Trainer ✓ | ||||||
| 2 | Trustintimes H Fry / Bryan Carver | 127 ✓ | 2/1 SP 3.0 card: 5/1 | 155 | 204 (17F) |  #6 | Front Runner 60% FR / 0% HU 9/10 5 runs | — 3/5 Stall | Strongly backed 6.0→2/1 SP shorter than last run (10.0→3.0) ✓ Course winner | Distance winner RPR 146 vs OR 127 — well ahead of hcp | RPR improving +20pts last 3 runs | TS 117 — at/above career best Class rise (Cls 4→2) 🏋 Trainer 46% with Front Runners (33/71) IV 0.75 (Poor) — large fields | staying trips ✓+4.19 | 40% Moderate | 10.54 | CONTENDER CD | |
| 3✓ 1✗ | Going ? | Distance ✓ | Fit ? | Form ✗ | Draw ~ | RPR ✓ | Trainer ✓ | ||||||
| 3 | Gower Prince h Jonjo & A J O'Neill / Benjamin Macey | 114 | 12/1 SP 13.0 card: 7/1 | 142 | 20 | #15 | Front Runner 75% FR / 25% HU 9/10 4 runs | — 3/5 Stall | Drifting badly 8.0→12/1 SP longer than last run (3.5→13.0) | won last run — placed profile ✓ Distance winner Won last run | Consistent placer RPR 134 vs OR 114 — well ahead of hcp | RPR 6pts below peak — may be underestimated ✓ RaceIQ FSP 102% last run (Plumpton) — solid finishing pace ✓ | RaceIQ FSP trending down -6pts over last 2 runs Master Rating +0 (as expected) Slight class rise (Cls 3→2) IV 2.99 (Strong) — staying trips ✓ 5lb claim+4.29 | 0% Poor | 10.31 | ELIMINATED D | |
| 4✓ 0✗ | Going ? | Distance ✓ | Fit ✓ | Form ✓ | Draw ~ | RPR ✓ | Trainer ? | ||||||
| 4 | Morning Mayhem p Nick Scholfield / Harry Reed | 128 ✓ | 14/1 SP 15.0 card: 16/1 | 156 | 8 | #7 | Prominent 59% FR / 23% HU 8/10 22 runs | — 3/5 Stall | Backed 17.0→14/1 ✓ SP longer than last run (9.5→15.0) Distance winner RPR 135 vs OR 128 — ahead of hcp ✓ | TS 125 — near career best RaceIQ FSP 104% last run (Cartmel) — solid finishing pace ✓ Master Rating +0 (as expected) 🌦 Going stretch (Good to Firm) Slight class rise (Cls 3→2) 8 days — ideal freshness IV 3.89 (Strong) — large fields ✓ | staying trips ✓+3.4 | 40% Moderate | 9.37 | WATCH D | |
| 3✓ 2✗ | Going ✗ | Distance ✓ | Fit ✓ | Form ✗ | Draw ~ | RPR ✓ | Trainer ? | ||||||
| 5 | Gibbs Island T Lacey / Stan Sheppard | 131 ✓ | 12/1 SP 13.0 card: 20/1 | 159 | 22 | #3 | Prominent 45% FR / 27% HU 9/10 11 runs | — 3/5 Stall | Strongly backed 21.0→12/1 Distance winner RPR 143 vs OR 131 — well ahead of hcp RaceIQ FSP trending down -10pts over last 2 runs Master Rating +0 (as expected) 🌦 Going stretch (Good to Firm)  Trainer 33% at Ascot (3/9) IV 0.0 (Poor) — large fields | staying trips +2.4 | 40% Moderate | 8.78 | WATCH D | |
| 4✓ 2✗ | Going ✗ | Distance ✓ | Fit ✓ | Form ✗ | Draw ~ | RPR ✓ | Trainer ✓ | ||||||
| 6 | Moveit Like Minnie t v Nigel & Willy Twiston-Davies / N de Boinville | 119 | 7/1 SP 8.0 card: 8/1 | 147 | 29 | #10 | Prominent 50% FR / 25% HU 8/10 12 runs | — 3/5 Stall | Backed 9.0→7/1 ✓ SP longer than last run (4.0→8.0) | 2nd last run — placed profile ✓ Distance winner 2nd last run RPR 121 vs OR 119 — slight edge | RPR declining -14pts RaceIQ FSP 102% last run (Plumpton) — solid finishing pace ✓ Master Rating -10 (well below handicapper expectations ) 🌦 Going stretch (Good to Firm) Slight class rise (Cls 3→2) IV 1.99 (Strong) — staying trips ✓+2.6 | 0% Poor | 8.39 |  NOT BOWERS BUT!D | |
| 1✓ 2✗ | Going ✗ | Distance ✓ | Fit ? | Form ✗ | Draw ~ | RPR ? | Trainer ? | ||||||
| 7 | Messerschmitt t B Pauling / Kielan Woods | 130 ✓ | 9/1 SP 10.0 card: 10/1 | 158 | 186 | #4 | Versatile 29% FR / 43% HU 6/10 7 runs | — 3/5 Stall | Steady at 9/1 SP shorter than last run (26.0→10.0) ✓ | 3rd last run — placed profile ✓ Distance winner 3rd last run RPR 156 vs OR 130 — well ahead of hcp | RPR improving +19pts last 3 runs | TS 139 — at/above career best Master Rating +0 (as expected) 🌦 Going stretch (Good to Firm) Slight class drop (Cls 1→2) ✓ 186 days — very long absence Trainer 28% at Ascot (9/32)+2.9 | 0% Poor | 8.21 | WATCH D | |
| 3✓ 2✗ | Going ✗ | Distance ✓ | Fit ? | Form ✗ | Draw ~ | RPR ✓ | Trainer ✓ | ||||||
| 8 | Zillow p Faye Bramley / Harry Kimber | 117 | 33/1 SP 34.0 card: 50/1 | 145 | 41 | #13 | Prominent 46% FR / 46% HU 7/10 13 runs | — 3/5 Stall | Strongly backed 51.0→33/1 SP shorter than last run (51.0→34.0) ✓ Distance winner RPR 131 vs OR 117 — well ahead of hcp RaceIQ FSP 102% last run (Plumpton) — solid finishing pace ✓ | RaceIQ FSP trending up +7pts over last 2 runs Master Rating -11 (well below handicapper expectations ) 🌦 Going stretch (Good to Firm) Slight class rise (Cls 3→2) Trainer 25% at Ascot (1/4) IV 0.0 (Poor) — staying trips +2.7 | 0% Poor | 8.07 | STRONGLY BACKED D | |
| 3✓ 2✗ | Going ✗ | Distance ✓ | Fit ? | Form ✗ | Draw ~ | RPR ✓ | Trainer ✓ | ||||||
| 9 | Fasol t b1 P F Nicholls / Sam Twiston-Davies | 118 | 9/1 SP 10.0 card: 12/1 | 146 | 22 | #11 | Front Runner 73% FR / 13% HU 7/10 15 runs | — 3/5 Stall | Backed 13.0→9/1 ✓ SP longer than last run (6.0→10.0) Distance winner RPR 125 vs OR 118 — ahead of hcp ✓ | RPR declining -15pts Master Rating +3 (above expectations ✓) 🌦 Going stretch (Good to Firm) Class rise (Cls 4→2) 🏋 Trainer 31% with Front Runners (132/428) +2.18 | 20% Weak | 7.59 | ELIMINATED D | |
| 4✓ 2✗ | Going ✗ | Distance ✓ | Fit ✓ | Form ✗ | Draw ~ | RPR ✓ | Trainer ✓ | ||||||
| 10 | Brendas Asking K Bailey & M Nicholls / J J Burke | 118 | 22/1 SP 23.0 card: 12/1 | 146 | 164 | #12 | Front Runner 100% FR / 0% HU 9/10 5 runs | — 3/5 Stall | Drifting badly 13.0→22/1 SP longer than last run (5.5→23.0) | won last run — placed profile ✓ Distance winner Won last run RPR 122 vs OR 118 — slight edge | RPR declining -16pts RaceIQ FSP 101% last run (Warwick) — solid finishing pace ✓ | RaceIQ FSP trending down -6pts over last 3 runs Master Rating +0 (as expected) 🌦 Going stretch (Good to Firm) Slight class rise (Cls 3→2) 164 days — long absence🏋 Trainer 30% with Front Runners (44/147) ✓ IV 2.99 (Strong) — staying trips ✓+1.9 | 20% Weak | 7.5 | ELIMINATED D | |
| 3✓ 1✗ | Going ✗ | Distance ✓ | Fit ? | Form ✓ | Draw ~ | RPR ? | Trainer ✓ | ||||||
| 11 | Rightsotom (GER) b1 J Tizzard / Brendan Powell | 124 ✓ | 16/1 17.0 | 152 | 21 | #8 | Front Runner 67% FR / 0% HU 5/10 3 runs | — 3/5 Stall | SP shorter than last run (34.0→17.0) ✓ RPR 149 vs OR 124 — well ahead of hcp | RPR trending up +3pts Master Rating +0 (as expected) 🌦 Going stretch (Good to Firm) Slight class drop (Cls 1→2) ✓ Trainer 28% at Ascot (8/29)🏋 Trainer 34% with Front Runners (89/258) IV 0.5 (Poor) — large fields +2.59 | 20% Weak | 7.42 | ELIMINATED | |
| 3✓ 2✗ | Going ✗ | Distance ? | Fit ✓ | Form ✗ | Draw ~ | RPR ✓ | Trainer ✓ | ||||||
| 12 | Indemnity Miss E C Lavelle / C J Todd | 136 ✓ | 22/1 SP 23.0 card: 16/1 | 164 | 35 (10F) | #2 | Front Runner 92% FR / 8% HU 9/10 12 runs | — 3/5 Stall | Drifting badly 17.0→22/1 Distance winner RPR 137 vs OR 136 — slight edge | RPR declining -6pts 🏛 BHA -1 this week | BHA OR 82 (card shows 136 — rated lower than card) RaceIQ FSP 104% last run (Market Rasen) — solid finishing pace ✓ Master Rating -18 (well below handicapper expectations )🏋 Trainer 35% with Front Runners (72/203) +1.17 | 40% Moderate | 7.07 | WATCH D | |
| 2✓ 1✗ | Going ? | Distance ✓ | Fit ? | Form ✗ | Draw ~ | RPR ? | Trainer ✓ | ||||||
| 13 | Williethebuilder Christian Williams / Toby McCain-Mitchell | 140 ✓ | 9/1 SP 10.0 card: 4/1 | 168 | 13 | #1 | Versatile 27% FR / 45% HU 4/10 11 runs | — 3/5 Stall | Drifting badly 5.0→9/1 won last run — placed profile ✓ Distance winner Won last run RPR declining -7pts Master Rating +0 (as expected) 🌦 Going stretch (Good to Firm) Slight class rise (Cls 3→2) 13 days — ideal freshness IV 0.5 (Poor) — large fields +2.12 | 0% Poor | 6.95 | WATCH D | |
| 4✓ 1✗ | Going ✗ | Distance ✓ | Fit ✓ | Form ✓ | Draw ~ | RPR ? | Trainer ✓ | ||||||
| 14 | Hamlet's Night James Owen / Rian Corcoran | 130 ✓ | 14/1 SP 15.0 card: 25/1 | 158 | 9 | #5 | Hold-Up 0% FR / 100% HU 1/10 2 runs | — 3/5 Stall | Strongly backed 26.0→14/1 SP shorter than last run (41.0→15.0) ✓ Distance winner 🏛 BHA OR 83 (card shows 130 — rated lower than card) RaceIQ FSP 95% last run (Haydock Park) — finished below par Slight class drop (Cls 1→2) ✓ 9 days — ideal freshness IV 0.0 (Poor) — large fields | staying trips 5lb claim+2.69 | 0% Poor | 6.25 | WATCH D | |
| 2✓ 1✗ | Going ? | Distance ✓ | Fit ✓ | Form ✗ | Draw ~ | RPR ? | Trainer ? | ||||||
| 15 | Parchment (FR) t D Pipe / Jack Tudor | 116 | 20/1 21.0 | 143 | 192 | #14 | Prominent 50% FR / 50% HU 9/10 2 runs | — 3/5 Stall | SP longer than last run (8.0→21.0) RPR 119 vs OR 116 — slight edge | TS 71 — at/above career best Class rise (Cls 4→2) 192 days — very long absence IV 0.0 (Poor) — staying trips +-1.0 | 0% Poor | 4.57 | ELIMINATED | |
| 0✓ 1✗ | Going ? | Distance ? | Fit ? | Form ✗ | Draw ~ | RPR ? | Trainer ? | ||||||
| 16 | Emerald Time t Ryan Hatch / C Gethings | 114 | 33/1 SP 34.0 card: 16/1 | 142 | 26 | #16 | Front Runner 67% FR / 0% HU 6/10 9 runs | — 3/5 Stall | — | — | — |  MARKET REJECTD | |
| 3✓ 0✗ | Going ? | Distance ✓ | Fit ✓ | Form ✓ | Draw ~ | RPR ? | Trainer ? |
