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my speed horses.

Not really had any my horses dropping in class along with there speed lately or money coming for them.
So limited betting.
Just in a quick glance at racing last night and this morning before golf the most interesting race for me today is the 3 45 beverley where one of my speed horses runs in SPIORADALTA i bet it last time out at decent price where is stayed on 6th in better race at york , But GINCIDENT was second in that race staying on and seems to be better horse with both tounge tie and hood on at same time last two races, And looking at race there is enough pace on here to suit GINCIDENT down to the ground, is different track style completely but i feel GINCIDENT will come late and snatch this.
In the 2 15 i bet a horse other day and let me down badly in PARK STREET got no run but seems to happen to this horse alot i bet it for its run behind BELL SHOT round here so track is better suited but ORBAAN finished couple lengths in front of it behind BELL STREET and i cant see why should not again, So you could say i will be annoyed if PARK STREET beats it today might out saver on it just in case.
In the 4 15 i have given a horse before in SPECIAL GHAIYYATH but no odds worth betting although is matter of time its wins little race likely be today to be fair.
Suppose could be a double with CRIMSON SPIRIT as BELL SHOT is in this race but got trounced by CRIMSON SPIRIT last time and no reason wont again.
Looking at tonight the 8 50 at newbury MOJOMAKER is ee money coming for it big style i am on at 7/1 i had not gave this as i was saying is same class as when 3rd to NORTHCLIFF but i suppose you could say slight drop in class as that was 0-75 and this is 0-70.
The second THE THOMAS BOATMAN came out and run second again in similar class so form looks ok which i expected but i must be honest although i did feel would be bet in a little i am rather surprised how much.
 
gerry said:
Not really had any my horses dropping in class along with there speed lately or money coming for them.
So limited betting.
Just in a quick glance at racing last night and this morning before golf the most interesting race for me today is the 3 45 beverley where one of my speed horses runs in SPIORADALTA i bet it last time out at decent price where is stayed on 6th in better race at york , But GINCIDENT was second in that race staying on and seems to be better horse with both tounge tie and hood on at same time last two races, And looking at race there is enough pace on here to suit GINCIDENT down to the ground, is different track style completely but i feel GINCIDENT will come late and snatch this.
In the 2 15 i bet a horse other day and let me down badly in PARK STREET got no run but seems to happen to this horse alot i bet it for its run behind BELL SHOT round here so track is better suited but ORBAAN finished couple lengths in front of it behind BELL STREET and i cant see why should not again, So you could say i will be annoyed if PARK STREET beats it today might out saver on it just in case.
In the 4 15 i have given a horse before in SPECIAL GHAIYYATH but no odds worth betting although is matter of time its wins little race likely be today to be fair.
Suppose could be a double with CRIMSON SPIRIT as BELL SHOT is in this race but got trounced by CRIMSON SPIRIT last time and no reason wont again.
Looking at tonight the 8 50 at newbury MOJOMAKER is ee money coming for it big style i am on at 7/1 i had not gave this as i was saying is same class as when 3rd to NORTHCLIFF but i suppose you could say slight drop in class as that was 0-75 and this is 0-70.
The second THE THOMAS BOATMAN came out and run second again in similar class so form looks ok which i expected but i must be honest although i did feel would be bet in a little i am rather surprised how much.
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Best of luck today gerry gerry (y)
 
James Owen's record at Yorkshire tracks with first or second favourites, 13-29. In races worth 4k to 10.5k 10-16.

Gincident got to have a live chance since he came down the slowest part of the track last time at York.
 
Well three winners yesterday so was nice for me.
Back to today as we keep trying.
I have had a look at four races today which peak a interest for me. One that i think should go well at a price is MOSTAWAA in the 3 15 at carlisle this horse showed good pace last time out at Goodwood which it has before and also at Epsom so the first thing you would naturally feel is its quick and this is not the ideal track for it. But then you look has won the bell here and third to last year shows its got speed and stays for sure and loves softer conditions, And this track can be unusual in that it suits horses who are well up with pace its best speed figure was in soft going so everything ideal to go well at least.
The only other race i liked was the 4 50 Carlisle where ARKHALIA FLYNN who actually finished just in front of MOSTAWAA last time out and i suppose would frank form if MOSTAWAA goes well earlier, This horse is opposite that it gets slow away and will be closer to back which gives you the chance to back after a furlong odds might go out but will come throw i am sure to go very close in this, Quiet interesting that channon has the fav in MOSTAWAA race to and why has this one MOSTAWAA i mean not went for this again i am hoping they think has not got beating of ARKHALIA FLYNN and this gives both a chance to shine.
Down at Salisbury i have a couple i think should go close too starting with the 2 55 where i think COUP DE FORCE last couple runs where not as bad as you might first think and although i thought BLIND BEGGAR form is decent too i think this race all boils down to ground and BLIND BEGGAR definitely likes softer going.
In the 3 55 i think KODI LION when run second to GET IT was top form and both have proved that to be the case, So i think will be hard to beat here there is a couple who's form looks good or unknown yet with improvement but i do feel this horse is ahead of them with more to come today with ground ideal.
 
Well had single on MOSTAWAA e/w got money back, But my little trixie only one winner today so not getting anything back there.
And see channon did win the mostawaa race to.
 
Will be disappointed if don't get at least a winner tomorrow and one should cover the bets but hope for better.
3 00 NEWMARKET ROCKING ENDS. This horse clearly needed first run of season and was bet to fav in next run which was decent class 3 and although middle of pack did not get clear passage till started to stay on this is drop to class 4 and buick on it will expect good run.Has won here also a plus.
4 10 NEWMARKET HICKORY. I must admit i was disappointed with this one last time out and could argue time before also although was not beat to far there. I am putting it down to ground to slow and if faster tomorrow could bounce back. I have feeling track will suit as takes time to get going.
7 15 HAMILTON VANTHEMAN. I think the drop to 5 fur is what this horse needs here at hamilton but its last run was better than this and over 6fur.
The worry is the ground not sure much rain we are getting supposed to be .4cm next 24 hrs which wont be much reason i am worried is because if heavy rain brooklyn nine nine will be massive danger.
8 00 LEICESTER WINGED MESSENGER. I liked this ones run behind protest rally two runs back although disappointed it got beat at hamilton.
But i feel it has real chance to bounce back here although i did rate level up runs last time too and could be danger.
3 10 NEWCASTLE PENZANCE. Having look at all weather because some good races and i feel penzance and storm catcher have couple runs at this meeting closely matched but storm catchers two runs showed nothing where as penzance run behind flight plan was to sharp yet run well since then two runs but i feel they are sharpeners for this today.
5 30 NEWCASTLE CAPE SOVEREIGN. Never to far away so runs pretty consistent and i feel track will suit had one all weather run and seemed ok in it just beat, But i liked its run behind the man staying on and i think this race ideal.
 
gerry said:
Well three winners yesterday so was nice for me.
Back to today as we keep trying.
I have had a look at four races today which peak a interest for me. One that i think should go well at a price is MOSTAWAA in the 3 15 at carlisle this horse showed good pace last time out at Goodwood which it has before and also at Epsom so the first thing you would naturally feel is its quick and this is not the ideal track for it. But then you look has won the bell here and third to last year shows its got speed and stays for sure and loves softer conditions, And this track can be unusual in that it suits horses who are well up with pace its best speed figure was in soft going so everything ideal to go well at least.
The only other race i liked was the 4 50 Carlisle where ARKHALIA FLYNN who actually finished just in front of MOSTAWAA last time out and i suppose would frank form if MOSTAWAA goes well earlier, This horse is opposite that it gets slow away and will be closer to back which gives you the chance to back after a furlong odds might go out but will come throw i am sure to go very close in this, Quiet interesting that channon has the fav in MOSTAWAA race to and why has this one MOSTAWAA i mean not went for this again i am hoping they think has not got beating of ARKHALIA FLYNN and this gives both a chance to shine.
Down at Salisbury i have a couple i think should go close too starting with the 2 55 where i think COUP DE FORCE last couple runs where not as bad as you might first think and although i thought BLIND BEGGAR form is decent too i think this race all boils down to ground and BLIND BEGGAR definitely likes softer going.
In the 3 55 i think KODI LION when run second to GET IT was top form and both have proved that to be the case, So i think will be hard to beat here there is a couple who's form looks good or unknown yet with improvement but i do feel this horse is ahead of them with more to come today with ground ideal.
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KODI LION ran awful on the day gerry gerry and probably just had an off day but take into account the pace which was a bit on the slow side early and turned into a sprint from halfway or so, bear in mind that KODI had run second to GET IT who went hard when breaking the track record ascot, clearly KODI needs that strong pace to show his best. Worth just pointing out it also very likely didn't suit MONTPELLIER either who will improve for a proper run race imo.
 
I f i am total honest T tacker i don't think it ran a horrible race at all and don't think had off day either but you are spot on the pace completely did it or i should say small field but i put its run when i checked it after race as close to what expected so i drew line under it as forget run .
 
Update on my runners i see 4 of the 6 been bet in only the two newmarket ones not gives me hope as all on last night
Usually wait till morning so there is no cover bets on them today wonder how that works will see tonight as of to take grandkids to snooker.
Still trying to get them hold cue right but brings the biggest smile to my face.
 
As i thought i think looking at race ground beat vantheman yet time tells you wasn't bad and the danger won the race i should have bet f/cast i didn't .
 
With so much racing today i tried to put my speed with horses that are value bets today and the two that i think have come out best to go close are.
5 25 YORK LEADENHALL They stepped this horse up to 9fur last time at this track and run really well and now going a other furlong could be ideal especially in this type of race where its pace for shorter will get it handy. I would say was best run to date and should go close.
Jockey only had one ride this season and was second.
8 00 DONCASTER DARING LEGEND.
This horse has been running well last three runs in faster ground and i bet it when placed at big price two runs back. It has claiming jockeys on it all those runs and i think kevin stott could just be difference to get head in front.
 
After doing my run on speed horses in this thread i have now decided to have a assessment on what i think.
The first thing i would like to say is i have made profit since doing it so that is the main thing.
The second thing is i have noticed results can be all over place too, That your thinking how could that be so any thing is possible.
So what do i think makes them some time unreliable at times.
Well the pace of races for starters some are slowly run now it does need horses with fast turn of speed over shorter distance.
So looking at other things like distance it is important they have experience over it as anything else is guess work although you just have to put the guess as part of the judgement.
We can then look at class of runs which seem to be so different even for one horse they go up and down the way price money is given now days but still i think price money is important to gauge wither trainers are going for certain races.
Then you have course form which must be important to certain horses as at least the trainer knows for sure how it acts at certain tracks.
Improvement on form you can guess only by last three runs so i would say horses with less only trainer will know for sure.
Weight and mark are both signs of horse running in certain class so need be aware if going up or down can they take the new mark for running well or up in weight or mark.
Then we have going which most horses will have one they like best and it could be crucial in finding right going for horse which means later bets not less long dry spell or wet spell.
Trainers form is important in the case of going really well or really bad as would never not check .
Jockeys i have seen a lot spoke about them lately on here and you wonder who's best its hard to say for sure and its even harder to say they will be benefit for horse on any given day you only need to look at the ride of james doyle on east indian dock shocker had it near last whole way on sand and had to make up ground late on yet he run second race before and won next race so how could you rate him on that good bad or indifferent.
Then you have betting how does it look fancied or not, yet do you want to wait till betting and loss value.
I still think the most important thing is class although can be diminished by going and weight and mark and you can adjust for horse who havn't tried class but that way could be improving types.
And also i would say you have to bet horses in big fields who have form in big fields, and horses who win in small fields for small fields likely over looked by some.
 
After all that i have had a chat to AI for first time about horse racing as i see so many going into that and have told it the most important things i see in horse racing and listing them now waiting on format wrote down for me to follow and analyse racing in format i understand and like see if it can be worked on races seems to be taking ever to give me it to copy but patience will try it out any way.
If it ever gives me it that is.
 
gerry said:
After all that i have had a chat to AI for first time about horse racing as i see so many going into that and have told it the most important things i see in horse racing and listing them now waiting on format wrote down for me to follow and analyse racing in format i understand and like see if it can be worked on races seems to be taking ever to give me it to copy but patience will try it out any way.
If it ever gives me it that is.
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Hi gerry gerry

Give AI Races where you have been successful and the components that went into those races. Then ask it to look for metrics that were common to each successful selection. Of you were using a particular Race card for your data ie speed then include what you were looking at .

Finally ask AI to write you a prompt to,use for the future
 
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