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Bobajobber Bobajobber VDW advised the two most valuable at the main meeting etc ,do you follow this or have you developed a personal preference for the race type which you work. Following the former would have provided a mixture hcaps ,group races and different age groups, did he ever make mention of favoring any code or race type within this.?
 
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Bobajobber Bobajobber VDW advised the two most valuable at the main meeting etc ,do you follow this or have you developed a personal preference for the race type which you work. Following the former would have provided a mixture hcaps ,group races and different age groups, did he ever make mention of favoring any code or race type within this.?
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Also i think if my memory serves me right he stated consider the second most valuable race at the main meeting also.
 
OnTheNod said:
Also i think if my memory serves me right he stated consider the second most valuable race at the main meeting also.
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Yes it was the two most valuable at the main meeting and the most valuable at each of the other ones.A real mixture of race types.
 
Hi mick mick - it might have meant a mixture of the type of races under consideration, but from VDW's point of view it also meant that he was looking at the most valuable races of the day which he felt had a clear link to trainer's intentions.

Also.....by choosing value of race it meant that, quite often, the same races were under consideration year after year (until newer, more valuable races were added as time went on) and therefore it could be argued it would have given VDW some sort of "feel" for the races in question, in a broader sense.

Races such as The Old Newton Cup; Lancashire Oaks; the Lincoln etc are mentioned a number of times within his various letters / booklets.
 
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mick said:
Yes it was the two most valuable at the main meeting and the most valuable at each of the other ones
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mick mick, they are just more ways to narrow the field, of which the VDW books say there is more then one way to come to the same conclusion.

The VDW books also state it is best to avoid the non descriptive races/ no form/ novice handicaps. Chesham Chesham blows that theory out of the water.

Arkle
 
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mick mick, they are just more ways to narrow the field, of which the VDW books say there is more then one way to come to the same conclusion.

The VDW books also state it is best to avoid the non descriptive races/ no form/ novice handicaps. Chesham Chesham blows that theory out of the water.

Arkle
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Agree but i was just thinking about the setting it all out example when he showed how he worked a Saturdays racing.
 
mick mick apart from more prize money on a Saturday in general, i'm not sure what difference there is to any other day of the week. Perhaps trainers /people do prefer to win at the weekend, but i think a win is a win no matter how you get there.

Arkle
 
Once upon a time most of the big meetings were midweek the derby on a wednesday, 1000 guineas on thursday,dewhurst friday,chevelely park wednesday etc and saturday was known as bookies day but the calendar has changed since then but some saturdays are still bookies day :spiteful::hunter:
 
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arkle55 said:
mick mick apart from more prize money on a Saturday in general, i'm not sure what difference there is to any other day of the week. Perhaps trainers /people do prefer to win at the weekend, but i think a win is a win no matter how you get there.

Arkle
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Agree i was just referring to his example of working all the saturday meetings on one day.He used the two most valuable races at the main meeting and the most valuable race from each of the other cards.He did not bet in all but these where the only ones worked.I assume he would have applied the same thinking to any day Re which races to work.
 
Thomas said:
Once upon a time most of the big meetings were midweek the derby on a wednesday, 1000 guineas on thursday,dewhurst friday,chevelely park wednesday etc and saturday was known as bookies day but the calendar has changed since then but some saturdays are still bookies day :spiteful::hunter:
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;) This is what i most enjoy with these vdw threads seeing the old race cards and recalling those times.The Wen Derby day i went for years Saturday never did "feel" as good.The year that Empery won the race and more importantly Creetown won the last i did not get home until the Saturday.! :eek: I had a 20/1 AP voucher for the former and used much of the winnings to lump on the latter.
 
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Yes i must admit he worked this race better than all the examples he put in the h'cap book, so maybe he was at the experimental stage with this method also at that time but got a little carried away ego wise when starting to piece it all together.

As @arkle states Chesham Chesham can work races he says to aviod, but one must remember their are a lot more tools around for us all to work with nowadays to aid us as well.

I know in the 60s i use to work mainly with form figures and watching horses on the tv, and it worked very well, i knew nothing about C/D and Abillity ratings, although i did know about the class of races and used non h'cap races mostly as well.

Anybody worked the Cesarewitch race he mentions with any success i wonder i bet maybe Chesham Chesham has.
 
With respect to Giolla Padraig's last race where it Fell.
Is that race shown as one of its last 3 or is it that the 3 LTO runs are the races used to calculate the CR?

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With respect to Giolla Padraig's last race where it Fell.
Is that race shown as one of its last 3 or is it that the 3 LTO runs are the races used to calculate the CR?

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I think he covered some of the reasons for not including some LTO Results

Quote "VDW Regarding Form Figures P,F,U etc. It is a matter of common sense really.
The same goes for Fallers, a slip on landing is not the same as a crashing fall after going through the top of the fence "


Quote VDW " Also use discretion in the case of a highly consistent horse that suddenly puts in what might seem at first, a bad one. It could have been put into a race where it had no chance, which is not the same as if it had blown its top. "

Later he used the last three completed runs and with Gay Chance (Not backed according to VDW) put a Consistency figure of 12?3? depending if you forgive the LTO race where he said it was put in out of his depth
 
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Hi ArkRoyal ArkRoyal - the form from the Sporting Life for Giolla Padraig reads as:-

"progress from rear tenth, cantering and close up when fell three out".

So the consistency rating of 4 would fit very much within what Chesham Chesham has already highlighted.
 
Hi Pitmatic Pitmatic

I understand how the CR is made up for Giolla Padraig is made up.
What I am not sure of, is whether the race identified as a class 47 with a distance of 2m4f was the race he fell in or if it was the 2nd LTO race it won?
 
Giolla Padraiglto ran in the same race as townley stone class 47.. 2lto won class 31 amateurs handicap at cheltenham any other information needed
 
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