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Doe anyone know if the Racing Post race analysis is the same as the Raceform notebook comments/analysis ?,as I understand a lot of the information between the 2 outlets is now the same.
 
I subscribe to Raceform Interactive but not the RP Members Club so i cannot say for sure Re The Note Book. The in running comments ( RP results pages ) from both are often very simular although the RI version are shown the following day in the old school abbreviated style. My understanding Re there Note Book comments these are written by there own in house staff and generally take 3-4 days before being available. RI inc there own form ratings which are different to the RP ones................... Perhaps phoning or e mailing Raceform would provide a definitive answer. ? I have found there customer support to be good.

Shown below both of the RI versions for Feb 3rd run of Letmelivemylife. ( 4th 9/1 )

travelled strly: towards rr: on outer fr over 3f out: hdwy whn up the centre fr under 2f out: shkn up whn outpcd 1f out: sn rallied and kpt on wl

Note Book : a non-runner three times since October, was quite the eyecatcher from off the pace on his debut for new connections after a 175-day absence. He's 4lb below his only winning mark in handicaps.

Re the above having backed him @ 18/1 i dare not share my own post race comments as i suspect those odds will not be on offer for this next run. :(
 
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I subscribe to Raceform Interactive but not the RP Members Club so i cannot say for sure Re The Note Book. The in running comments ( RP results pages ) from both are often very simular although the RI version are shown the following day in the old school abbreviated style. My understanding Re there Note Book comments these are written by there own in house staff and generally take 3-4 days before being available. RI inc there own form ratings which are different to the RP ones................... Perhaps phoning or e mailing Raceform would provide a definitive answer. ? I have found there customer support to be good.

Shown below both of the RI versions for Feb 3rd run of Letmelivemylife. ( 4th 9/1 )

travelled strly: towards rr: on outer fr over 3f out: hdwy whn up the centre fr under 2f out: shkn up whn outpcd 1f out: sn rallied and kpt on wl

Note Book : a non-runner three times since October, was quite the eyecatcher from off the pace on his debut for new connections after a 175-day absence. He's 4lb below his only winning mark in handicaps.

Re the above having backed him @ 18/1 i dare not share my own post race comments as i suspect those odds will not be on offer for this next run. :(
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Thanks for the reply and info.
 
justmyluck1 said:
Doe anyone know if the Racing Post race analysis is the same as the Raceform notebook comments/analysis ?,as I understand a lot of the information between the 2 outlets is now the same.
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mick said:
I subscribe to Raceform Interactive but not the RP Members Club so i cannot say for sure Re The Note Book. The in running comments ( RP results pages ) from both are often very simular although the RI version are shown the following day in the old school abbreviated style. My understanding Re there Note Book comments these are written by there own in house staff and generally take 3-4 days before being available. RI inc there own form ratings which are different to the RP ones................... Perhaps phoning or e mailing Raceform would provide a definitive answer. ? I have found there customer support to be good.

Shown below both of the RI versions for Feb 3rd run of Letmelivemylife. ( 4th 9/1 )

travelled strly: towards rr: on outer fr over 3f out: hdwy whn up the centre fr under 2f out: shkn up whn outpcd 1f out: sn rallied and kpt on wl

Note Book : a non-runner three times since October, was quite the eyecatcher from off the pace on his debut for new connections after a 175-day absence. He's 4lb below his only winning mark in handicaps.

Re the above having backed him @ 18/1 i dare not share my own post race comments as i suspect those odds will not be on offer for this next run. :(
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Don’t subscribe to RI or RP members , but looking at mick mick reply I think they are identical, I use the RP app on my iPad and it freely includes the analysis and for the horse that mick mick mentions the comment are identical
The in-running comments seems the same, and from my experience I believe the ratings are the same , but RP amends them more reacting to subsequent form.
in-run comment from RP website, seems same just less abbreviated
Travelled strongly, towards rear, on outer from over 3f out, headway when up the centre from under 2f out, shaken up when outpaced 1f out, soon rallied and kept on well, eyecatcher (op 17/2 tchd 8/1 and tchd 10/1)

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O Outlander cheers for the clarification. I only look at the RP site results page and the 48hr Decs as the latter can often be obtained an hour prior to the RI noon download. Imo it was a great shame that the RP was allowed to buy Raceform but this appears to be the way of it these days. I would ask do Bookmakers own this forum but this might get me banned. :eek:
 
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My understanding Re there Note Book comments these are written by there own in house staff and generally take 3-4 days before being available
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So after establishing the Note Book comments are copied from the Racing Post, wonder why it takes 3-4 day before being available, a horse could have run again by then , seems strange from a very expensive service, when you can get the same thing free on the app.
RP app already has notes for the 4.50 in Southwell yesterday for example
 

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So after establishing the Note Book comments are copied from the Racing Post, wonder why it takes 3-4 day before being available, a horse could have run again by then , seems strange from a very expensive service, when you can get the same thing free on the app.
RP app already has notes for the 4.50 in Southwell yesterday for example
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Another valid observation and i have no idea, but i also have no intentions of changing because taken on balance then RI continues to best suit my way of working. The flat only version i subscribe to costs £47 a month and imo this is very good value for money.

Edit : I e mailed RI this morning Re your above and show there reply below. The 2pm next day claim for the note book comments is not correct in my experience although perhaps the fault is within my database and its not a ball breaker issue for myself.

Hi Michael,

It's true to say that the analysis writers for the Racing Post are the same team that provide the comments for the Raceform Interactive software - we are, after all, part of the same business so while I manage the Raceform Interactive software I am a Racing Post employee.

The advantage of Raceform Interactive is that the comments are assigned to the individual horses so it's much easier to get a handle on the form without having to load the entire race and look for the comment therein. I think that lends itself to much more efficient form study than you would do if you were, say, using the RP app or website.

As for the times these comments are added, they are added to the RI database at 2pm the next day which is when the results are always updated. Yes, we do have skeleton results at midnight (minus comments) as these are the basic results so that they appear in the database straight away.

Obviously not perfect in the sense that the comments for yesterday won't appear until this afternoon but they are typically always there in time for a horse's next run even if they do line up again within a couple of days since the last time they did.

I hope that all makes sense - please come back to me if you have further comments or questions.

Best Wishes,
 
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I respect your opinion but as ever a case of each to there own. Have you ever actually used the product. ?
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I used it once , had a go when they did some kind of 3 months for the price of 2 or something like that. I wasn‘t impressed mainly due to the fact you can get all the information free elsewhere, the only thing I found useful is the data downloads and then when HRB came for £10 a month with data downloads i couldn‘t find any use for RI.
I agree different people will find different uses for different software, but it does seem incredible to me that if you want flat and jumps it would be pushing £100 a month.
I mean don’t know if it’s still the same but you could get Timeform flat and jumps subscription for £30 a month a while back, that seems much better value, although still not something I would pay as I don’t think you can export results to a spreadsheet/database
 
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I used it once , had a go when they did some kind of 3 months for the price of 2 or something like that. I wasn‘t impressed mainly due to the fact you can get all the information free elsewhere, the only thing I found useful is the data downloads and then when HRB came for £10 a month with data downloads i couldn‘t find any use for RI.
I agree different people will find different uses for different software, but it does seem incredible to me that if you want flat and jumps it would be pushing £100 a month.
I mean don’t know if it’s still the same but you could get Timeform flat and jumps subscription for £30 a month a while back, that seems much better value, although still not something I would pay as I don’t think you can export results to a spreadsheet/database
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Timeform is still available at £30 a month for the full service.
 
A few years back i tried what would have been an older version of computer timeform for a whole flat season and it was good but i still found myself preferring the RI product. Subscribing to both often proved more hindrance than help Re there race comments as they appeared to have conflicting thoughts Re how a horse had run which i guess is fair enough but can add to the confusion. :eek:
 
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A few years back i tried what would have been an older version of computer timeform for a whole flat season and it was good but i still found myself preferring the RI product. Subscribing to both often proved more hindrance than help Re there race comments as they appeared to have conflicting thoughts Re how a horse had run which i guess is fair enough but can add to the confusion. :eek:
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mick mick when I catch your thoughts on here I always enjoy reading them, I don’t bet much myself now but still enjoy reading how others have assessed races etc.
With your specialisation and expertise in older horses on the flat handicaps, do you ever watch the races and make your own comments regarding the runs . I think in RI and others you can make notes and store them, or do you trust the RI/RP notes for analysis?
I have thought about doing my own notes for HK but even with just 20 races a week still a task time wise to do a proper job, I imagine the RP has a considerable team working on the volume of racing we have.
 
O Outlander Re your above i do not consider myself a good judge Re watching race re plays, so while i do still have a look Re a possible bet i tend to make most use of the RI in running comments. Its actually piddled me off to learn that these come from the RP. Back in the day Raceform often made mention of using two on course race readers for each meeting and they used to show photos of them when advertising.

One day i arrived extra early at Kempton and recognizing one went up and started a conversation. His knowledge of what a horse was doing during a race and why was mind blowing. These days what i suspect occurs is a bunch of far less experienced bods never leaving the office. ! But alas we have to work with whats available. !

Yes in RI you can make and store notes for a horse and occasionally i do Re a possible future target race, but the facility i like most is there Own Ratings one. Because once i rate a race those figs are shown in several areas of the database which i find very useful when profiling a top rated of interest.
 
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O Outlander Re your above i do not consider myself a good judge Re watching race re plays, so while i do still have a look Re a possible bet i tend to make most use of the RI in running comments. Its actually piddled me off to learn that these come from the RP. Back in the day Raceform often made mention of using two on course race readers for each meeting and they used to show photos of them when advertising.

One day i arrived extra early at Kempton and recognizing one went up and started a conversation. His knowledge of what a horse was doing during a race and why was mind blowing. These days what i suspect occurs is a bunch of far less experienced bods never leaving the office. ! But alas we have to work with whats available. !

Yes in RI you can make and store notes for a horse and occasionally i do Re a possible future target race, but the facility i like most is their Own Ratings one. Because once i rate a race those figs are shown in several areas of the database which i find very useful when profiling a top rated of interest.
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yes I think the Own Ratings feature was what initially attracted me to give it a go, then I messed about a bit in my spare time and learned how to create ratings on spreadsheets and export them to my own database and retrieve them so that feature wasn’t something I needed. It is a very handy feature though to be fair.
Can understand the annoyance though that the notes are now just RP notes freely available to everyone instead of premium exclusive content for RI subscribers. The old RI guys used to give paddock comments also like h.d.w for horses that had done well physically since a break and highlighted if the horse l.w looked well or had scope.
Guess with the old experts on track long gone that is a thing of the past also.
 
I think the racing post members club has most of the features, same run comments, same race notes, same ratings, own ratings feature, own notes feature, probably more user friendly , no downloading or waiting , your own ratings and notes integrated on the RP website database, probably cheaper , only possible advantage i think from RI is you can export data , don’t think you can do that from RP members
 
Yes i did question RI about the lack of paddock comments with lw being another useful one from the paper form book days which has disappeared. There answer was evasive and i suspect that part of the price of being bought by the RP was a reduction of the Raceform staff. I wonder if the same has occurred Re Paddy - Halifax, whatever i often think that if Phil Bull is looking down he will not be best pleased. :mad:
 
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