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Paceadvantage.com, I have been a member for a few years now but have not been on it for a while now.
It is a very good and informative forum and they help out as well.
 
With all US books there is a pinch of salt because they are usually referring to dirt racing but they can still give you ideas to test. For example one or more books mention that it is significant when a horse makes a move on the bend. With sectionals you can now test this and see if bend movers who then do not go on to win are good bets next time. I think the idea is that bend moves are more taxing on the horse than on a straight especially the final bend
 
No I dont think so, I think you are referring to Sartin there, correct me if I am wrong its a while since I went down this rabbit hole
 
MySportsAI said:
With all US books there is a pinch of salt because they are usually referring to dirt racing but they can still give you ideas to test.
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My favourite American book Is "Handicapping Speed" by Charles Carroll, a critical look at the science of speed handicapping.

Sectional times work in North America due to the majority of tracks being flat and uniform.

Mike.
 
Chesham said:
Hi mick mick

Following on from Ratings going in one direction and the BHA going in the Opposite Direction

When Sectional Timing was available on all the AW Tracks it was possible to divide the race into sections. Quite often a horse will be conditioned on the track and given "A Race Within A Race" What do I mean by this. Various ways, race the horse wide around the bends covers more ground than other runners at speed and then runs out of Fuel. (I like to think that all horses have a full tank of fuel and how they use it within the race will determine how much fuel they have left for the finish, at the end of the race it is the horse who is slowing down the most and in is in the final furlong shake up. who usually wins)

The other way is to race against the other runners having given them a start in the middle Fraction

Extract from an article that I read some time back and later I explored the Brohamer Work

This fourth part of the series looks at the concept of “Turn-Time”. Turn-Time, when used with other pace and/or other handicapping information, is a very useful tool for assessing a horse’s current form, for identifying and measuring its’ competitive capabilities and for determining its likely performance in today’s race. This is the power of the “Hidden Fraction”.

Part 4: “Turn-Time”

In the Brohamer/Sartin methodology, a race is divided into three segments called “internal fractions” as shown below.

Internal Race Fractions

Fraction #1:

Fraction #2: Fraction #3:

Sprints

gate to 2 furlongs
2 furlongs to 4 furlongs 4 furlongs to finish

Routes

gate to 4 furlongs
4 furlongs to 6 furlongs 6 furlongs to finish

The basis for virtually all Brohamer handicapping concepts is the feet-per-second velocity of each horse for each fraction. The calculation for this is to divide the length of the fraction in feet by the horse’s time for the fraction in seconds. Here is the example for a six furlong race that we have been using in this series of articles. The Turn-Time for this horse is 57.14 feet-per-second.

Fraction

Furlongs
Feet
Horse’s Times Fraction Time Feet-Per-Second

#1 #2 #3 2 2 2

1,320 1,320
22.2 45.3 70.5 22.2 23.1 25.2

59.46 57.14

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1,320 52.38

Turn-Time
The “Turn-Time” for this horse in this race was 57.14 feet-per-second.


From this article I started to keep my own Brohamer/Sartin Style Pace Figures

The Turn Time Pace Rating for Ajigolo is in Column K. Instead of the Feet Per Second Method I used MPH as I could then use that measurement to obtain a Rating using the same formula as I do for the Raw Speed Ratings File that is uploaded each night on the The ratings Thread. By using the same Formula I could compare the Turn Pace rating with the Final Time Speed rating in Column L
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Timeform Speed Figs for last there runs 94, 92,71 and my Raw Speed rating 85,81,60 The Early Pace also Drops Column G 103,94,76 so was given slow start in his LTO race. Now look at the Hidden Fraction Column K Turn Time. 95,86,115 that has jumped by some amount. The Horse has been given a Race within A Race, no wonder it ran out of fuel well before it hit the closing stages
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One angle cited by one of these authors is focus on pace favoured tracks. In other words if recent races on the card or prior cards where conditions have not changed favoured speed then through his velocity ratings find the horses destined to be able to command the speed and those that will be unable. He feels many juicy winning tickets are found by backing speed horses in speed enabled conditions
 
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