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Looking to see if anybody has a scraper for racing TV

Outlander said:
It strikes me as the type of thing they produced manually before there was any sectional timings to offer people an edge, now the sectional times are out there it’s obsolete , anyone who paid £400 a year would be robbed more than the British taxpayer.
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Sullybomb said:
The data from Race IQ (Racing TV) is easy enough to get a hold of now, has all the Sectional data back to 2023 I think. Takes a little while to download but, worth the hassle and daily updates take minutes.
Best of all it's free. 👍
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It’s Total Performance data that they are using which is rubbish compared to Race IQ which has detailed data for stride , 0-20 . Also with jumps detailed analysis of Jumping Ability , lengths gained or lost etc.

The only thing missing from RaceIQ is the Gallop data which ATR has for the Televised races that they cover .

I do have a long term subscription to Timeform Race Passes and prefer that to the RP Rubbish. In my opinion their Top Speed Ratings were rubbish and likely even worse now a new compiler has taken over. At least the last compiler would take notice when TheBluesBrother TheBluesBrother emailed him to point out his errors
 
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just had info back from RaceIQ its £2 per race for results with sectionals etc so maybe an average of £50 per day
 
Around £73 a month if you Pay Monthly . There is some nice features on there and i subscribed to the Enhanced Package @ £25 a month but all the best stuff costs more.
 
Apologies Leodis Leodis for the late reply, been out all day. I grab all the data, sectionals, race IQ which covers stride, 0-20mph, top speed etc, directly from the Racing TV website. My scraper pulls all of that data and stores it in my own database. I just then format it into a report so it looks better.

As long as you are not bombarding the site with hundreds and thousands of requests at the one time otherwise it gets flagged and you'll get blocked, I've not had an issue. Sometimes I may get some incomplete data but, I'll run a backfill weekly for anything that's been missed.

Cheers
 
simon boardman said:
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Rather difficult to properly see the numbers involved here S simon boardman but it doesn't surprise me if winners tend to have the fastest final sectional or that an unlucky loser might also score well.
In the vast majority of cases the early pace will determine what happens at the finish, that barely needs saying but very often the true value behind worthwhile sectionals is when the numbers go against the grain, this is all after the event and doesn't always mean such values will be repeated.
If i have understood properly what we're being told ie "only consider sectionals where sectionals actually exist" or similar words didn't impress me, in my opinion all these sectionals need nuanse rather than just lumping them into a simplistic set of number crunshing.

Because nobody else has even put a like or made a comment to your post simon maybe there's something i'm missing.
 
MySportsAI said:
Are you sure this is free sullybomb there is no mention of that on the site
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This is how my report looks all the data you need including Sector by Sector sectionals.
And yes its all freely available. This is just a 60 day snapshot, but I have a database right back to when they started producing the data in 2023 sometime.

Hop that helps MySportsAI MySportsAI Leodis Leodis
 
tacker said:
Rather difficult to properly see the numbers involved here S simon boardman but it doesn't surprise me if winners tend to have the fastest final sectional or that an unlucky loser might also score well.
In the vast majority of cases the early pace will determine what happens at the finish, that barely needs saying but very often the true value behind worthwhile sectionals is when the numbers go against the grain, this is all after the event and doesn't always mean such values will be repeated.
If i have understood properly what we're being told ie "only consider sectionals where sectionals actually exist" or similar words didn't impress me, in my opinion all these sectionals need nuanse rather than just lumping them into a simplistic set of number crunshing.

Because nobody else has even put a like or made a comment to your post simon maybe there's something i'm missing.
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I know nothing about sectionals, but I just wanted to give a heads-up that Proform Race Metrics now does sectionals for the Scraper Boys.
 
It is good that Proform have sectionals but you have to analyse a lot deeper than this to glean meaningful patterns. Start by reading every USA book you can find on pace analysis, they generally all contain sectional analysis it will give you ideas. Can they be profitable, hell yes I have had 5,860 bets this year so far based solely on this kind of data and after comm returned a profit of +131.72 pts
 
MySportsAI said:
It is good that Proform have sectionals but you have to analyse a lot deeper than this to glean meaningful patterns. Start by reading every USA book you can find on pace analysis, they generally all contain sectional analysis it will give you ideas. Can they be profitable, hell yes I have had 5,860 bets this year so far based solely on this kind of data and after comm returned a profit of +131.72 pts
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MySportsAI MySportsAI Any specific book you'd suggest looking into?
 
MySportsAI said:
It is good that Proform have sectionals but you have to analyse a lot deeper than this to glean meaningful patterns. Start by reading every USA book you can find on pace analysis, they generally all contain sectional analysis it will give you ideas. Can they be profitable, hell yes I have had 5,860 bets this year so far based solely on this kind of data and after comm returned a profit of +131.72 pts
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5,860 bets so far this year ?............Amazing!
Probably worth some sort of demonstration MySportsAI MySportsAI if you can find the time.

Personally i find it difficult to prioritise sectionals above any basic level of form reading, in fact it's very rare that i can point to any sectionals that warrant special focus on the day.
Looking back is different, for instance i noticed this race from tues


Obviously ENJOY THE NIGHT flew out of the traps and paid for it close home but there's enough there to interest me and then check what influence the ground might have had and i'm content to trust TheBluesBrother TheBluesBrother ground description rather than the official going report, both agreed in this case so that's sorted, he also gives the winner a +12 but i'm sure that's down to the pace and not any great improvement by SWEET ESCAPE.

Back to ENJOY THE NIGHT and clearly he is headstrong even over the 5f, prior to beverley all his runs have been over 5f until the try over 7.5f.
His 2nd furlong time 10.70 was faster than other races over 5f on the day, so that pace was suicidal yet he managed to hold on for 3rd, in fact there was 6L back to the 4th.

I recognise many will say SO WHAT ? and that's fair enough but in my opinion the info you can only gleen from the replay and sectionals is invaluable, temptation is to believe this horse will drop down to 6f nto but that's to be seen.

The problem as i see it is the uk tracks are too diverse in the most part for any direct comparisons, all weather courses are a little better but i look forward to seeing some inspiration on the subject of sectionals.
 
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