Hong Kong Speed Figures

[woof43]

For a time I worked with a mob that used Michael Fraser times, and he was going to be paid when that team turned a profit.
The team never turned a profit, and after spending about 7 million(Matthew Tripp financed it) to set it up, folded(I had already walked away thankfully)
Fraser never got paid I don't think(Dom Beirne told me, as he is/was Frasers mate).

I can remember doing a check of Punting form and Accardi(a good few years back), and personally thought they were both rubbish.

I do some verification work for Tasracing, they use that German GPS system, which doesn't work sometimes or intermittently. But I have noted the emails converstions to Tasracing now have Michael Fraser email attached. I'm thinking it must be the same guy, from Horse racing

 

[woof43]

I just remembered something Accardi's mob did with regard to sections in western australia.
They are who provide the sections for their chief racing body(RWWA).
They would use the official 600m time RWWA provided from the lynx camera, and then fit the other sections around that.
How could you trust Accardi accuracy anywhere, if you knew that?

yes some of the camera angles would be just about impossible if you were trying to line up with 200m markers, in the greyhounds you have fixed points around the tracks and fixed cameras and you can create your own timing points, I think Vince does the same, but he would have to make quasi adjustments to get them to 200 markers, just to lineup with official timing, wagering for yourself you don't need to be creating "noise" in your own data which I think is the difference

 

[antonyp22]

I just remembered something Accardi's mob did with regard to sections in western australia.
They are who provide the sections for their chief racing body(RWWA).
They would use the official 600m time RWWA provided from the lynx camera, and then fit the other sections around that.
How could you trust Accardi accuracy anywhere, if you knew that?

Sounds like MF is the best we have then

 

[woof43]

Vic greyhounds is most probably the best for getting accurate data, but even they have FinishLynx at two fixed points which are timing to the nose of every runner. and then have transponders for the other 6 timing points which are measured around the should area as the transponder sit in the rug on their back, so then you have that data being merged and slight adjustments happening and the last sectional is fitted back to the "nose" finish time

 

[seanm8470]

yes some of the camera angles would be just about impossible if you were trying to line up with 200m markers, in the greyhounds you have fixed points around the tracks and fixed cameras and you can create your own timing points, I think Vince does the same, but he would have to make quasi adjustments to get them to 200 markers, just to lineup with official timing, wagering for yourself you don't need to be creating "noise" in your own data which I think is the difference

hey Grant Steve you will find that there are significant differences in the times between Western Australia downloadable CRIS results fille and WA downloadable sectionals file. My western australian database has circa 150K rows of data with both tables of data. it came as a shock to me. on closer inspection the official results had a number of typos plus my excel macro i was using also created some of the drama. WA CRIS they dont make it easy , the stewards report under each race still has the race number tagged on the end lol. the number of macros i needed to design to work around to simply get the data kept me up many nights. i was using ms access x 16 tracks to generate both my localised & universal WA speed ratings. i have now migrated and i use ChatGPT & Grok & a LightGBM 26 feature model.

 

[woof43]

hey Grant Steve you will find that there are significant differences in the times between Western Australia downloadable CRIS results fille and WA downloadable sectionals file. My western australian database has circa 150K rows of data with both tables of data. it came as a shock to me. on closer inspection the official results had a number of typos plus my excel macro i was using also created some of the drama. WA CRIS they dont make it easy , the stewards report under each race still has the race number tagged on the end lol. the number of macros i needed to design to work around to simply get the data kept me up many nights. i was using ms access x 16 tracks to generate both my localised & universal WA speed ratings. i have now migrated and i use ChatGPT & Grok & a LightGBM 26 feature model.

I'm only doing HK racing Sean, I'd never have much confidence in the published sectionals, would rather stick to the greyhounds and HK for an interest. WA seems like a lot of work

 

[StephenJB]

I think it's because WA sections are done by Accardi(a guy called Haydn? Ballantyne did them for him I think) off video.
The 600 was off the lynx camera, where the placement of, was all over the shop I think, and Accardi sections are fitted to that 600 time.
Not sure if that is still the case, but it once was.

I never had many issues with the overall time in Perth(and I used to check them all), but if my memory is holding up, the prov and country were not too good.
Wrong distances were another matter, especially when rail out.

Don't know about others, but I never found a way to win much with sections, not even with the context of overall time.
Not WA, and when I was doing Vic & NSW, I can't remember if there was any sections given out(that was a zillion years back)!