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Class/form horses

Nellsman Nellsman

I've found my notes on the GR, Lincs winners and to say they are patchy would be putting it kindly. Those on one are full enough for me to work from, others will need data gaps filling in.

The one is Orchestra Stall, won 5/1 on 26/08/96

Subject to correction, I have the ability ratings for the race as:

Orchestra Stall 69
Sea Victor 57
Speed To Lead 45
Welsh Mill 43
Harbour Island 41
Danjing 37
Noufari 36
Embryonic 35
Deanos Beeno 28
Great Easby 0

Orchestra Stall was a VDW "form" horse, therefore the class/form horse on my interpretation of his main method as there were no plainly negative conditions issues.

These top on ability ones who are also "form" horses are a potent force, as I was reminded almost to my embarrassment with Diligently in the Windsor race on Monday when he came second to Trefor. I'd adjusted his rating downwards - a case of being too clever by half. The 6.43 at Thirsk this evening again underlines the power of that combination, with a class/form horse who, judging by his sp, escaped the market's attention.

I'll post some more of the GR Lincs ones assuming there are other handicaps, once I've filled out the necessary data missing from my notes. IF the others work out like Orchestra Stall, GR, Lincs was either another VDW pseudonym or someone who had worked out his method, probably before Guest or Lee did.

ps one of the GR, Lincs ones won at 20/1 and on checking that was a handicap. I'll do that next and if the horse, Ninia, 31/08/96, turns out to be the VDW class/form horse, I'll be very interested in checking the rest.
 
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Ninia, won 20/1, 31/08/96

Again subject to correction, the ability ratings were:

Vindaloo 106
Angus-G 55
Hardy Dancer 50
Clifton Fox 46
Ninia 45
Kriscliffe 43
Sharpical 41
Frezeliere 40
Exemption 39
Early Peace 36
Filial 36
Game Ploy 36
Edan Heights 34
Ashby Hill 33
White Plains 31
Fahs 30
Bakers Daughter 27
Ocean Park 27
A-Aasem 0
Melomania 0

Vindaloo, Hardy Dancer and Clifton Fox were not "form" horses.

Nina was a "form" horse but so unquestionably was Angus-G and I can see no plainly negative conditions issues for either.

So on my interpretation of VDW's main method Angus-G would have been the class/form horse, with Ninia second on class/form. They finished first and second, but in the "wrong" order.

Assuming I've got the right ability ratings, and I have checked Ninia and Angus-G's on the Post site, unless I've missed something on conditions, and I am pretty confident I haven't, this GR, Lincs example does not conform to my interpretation of VDW's main method, unless of course he viewed the two as a book but only mentioned the winner in the published piece.

Most of the other GR, Lincs examples are handicaps so I'll try another tomorrow.
 
I have a very vague recollection that Matt Kent , worked in London in the entertainment business, logistics maybe, in theatre land, but I am not certain.

He didn't at the time anyway, have the vdw saga worked out, and after posting a number of losers, he started laying rather than backing.

He seemed to get on well with Lee and Fulham and always came across as a decent fellow.
 
Yes, T Tufnel. Jock Bingham's earliest published booklet was 4 Ways 2 Win and the earliest example in it was a race on 02/01/95, the latest 06/09/95, so it could not have been published until Autumn 1995.

T Thomas, I think Matt Gray worked in the music business. I have spoken to someone who knew him and he was kind enough to give that person an opinion on a demo tape his son's friends had made. His advice was don't give up the day job!
 
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