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Arkroyal was kind enough to send me a list of going allowances, can you please show me how they are calculated, so that I may continue to add to the list. Thanks
 
TW,

Course classifacation's are by the distances the B you may refer to is that it is a group 2 course therefore a B which is nothing to do with the Solidus. I used to get over 200's when the horse in question beat the course record which is rare at the moment so not sure what you are doing, Not sure what G/C Ark has sent you so couldn't comment. You need to put a working example down on here and I will try to follow where you are correct/incorrect.
I have a book which I could send to B for replicating I will see.

Regards PM
 
twmills said:
Arkroyal was kind enough to send me a list of going allowances, can you please show me how they are calculated, so that I may continue to add to the list. Thanks
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Wasn't me :confused:
 
So sorry it was RP thank you for sending them to me.
Any way they have really helped solve so much as to where I was I believe going wrong, and I would like to know how they are calculated so I can add to them.

This is how I am calculating the Solidus Pingman.
This is an example of Elusive Kate in 2:40 Newmarket.
I take the distance * going allowance which going by the list sent me for the horses last race which was Ascot the going was 0.08. dist 8*0.08=0.64.
As Elusive Kate race was -0.52 than standard, I add -0.52+0.64=0.12.
After what you just told me about course classifaction, where before I was using course grades.
Elusive Kate ran in a class 1 race, If I am right that is E at a mile is 15.0.
0.12*15.0=1.8.
Elusive Kate was btn by 3.25 lths. I times this by the lbs per length which is 2.7.
3.25*2.7=9. the wht was 8-11.
So 200-1.8-9+ -3= 186.
Elusive Kate 186.

Can you please correct me if I am going wrong.


I take the distance and
 
TW,

Your going corrections look ok so .12 x Ascot classified at a mile D which in the rates is 15.5 no movement up or down as .08 a fur is not a band mover.

15.5 x .12 = 1.86 200 - 1.86 =198.14

Btn 3.25 x 2.7 (mile) gives us 8.775

198.14 - 8.775 = 189.365 carried 8.11 so minus 3 gives you 186.365 bang on more or less

Now you do that for every hore

It was the way I worked it
 
I think the issue is that the course classifications for the flat courses are not listed in pdf.
Pingman, any chance you could post the classifications for the flat courses or could someone point me to the page they are on in the pdf?

Cheers
AR
 
tafflizgreg said:
HAS anyone mamnaged to get a spreadsheet ste up for this have tried but to no avail lol
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arkroyal said:
......When I have finished my current project I think might have a look and see whact can be done. The only real problem is that the copy of the Solidus isn't that clear :?
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Not yet Taff, but I will get around to it provided someone can tell me where the flat course classifications are listed :pray:
 
As far as I think I now know, on the Rates Tables of clock ratings, I used to think that the A1 to E1 used to be racecourse grades. But now I believe they are race class so,

A2 CLASS 7
A1 CLASS 6
A CLASS 5
B CLASS 4
C CLASS 3
D CLASS 2
E CLASS 1/LISTED
E1 G2/G3
E2 G1

So for example looking at the charts if a horse ran in a class 3 race at 5 furl it would be a C, which would be a rating of 20.7 on good going, but if it ran on good to firm it would become a B at 21.3. If it was good to soft it would move the other way and become a D at 20.1 ect. If the going was good it would remain at 20.7, because as far as I understand the ratings are all set at good going.
Depending on the going depended how much you moved the horse up or down the grades.
Now having said that I may be completely wrong. So if any one can correct me please let me know, but that is how I am using them at the moment.
 
Page 35 using charts with going, the charts are on page 38 and 39. As I say though still not completely sure if that is correct or not, on the pdf I have someone wrote beside the letters the class.
 
Take a look at Pages 18 - 26 this details the NH courses and the grades that the Solidus awards to each coures, it has nothing to do with the class of the races. I cannot find an equvalent for the Flat courses in the pdf. In the examples it says that Salisbury is a D for race of 1M, but where do find what it is for other distances?

AR
 
Ark,

I’ve got a copy of the book, they should be just after the course descriptions but they’re missing from the Smartsig serialisations.

When I get a spare half hour I’ll put em in a csv for you.
 
Well the heading is
Clearly states it is the NH Course Classifications, obviously the difficulty of the obstacles would have an effect on how a course is graded.
 

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arkroyal my mistake you are right, Now what I dont understand is how come some courses have more than one classification, for example Ascot is C for hurdles, but on the chase course it is BC, so when rating a race which do you use.
 
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