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Hong Kong Speed Figures

Outlander said:
The Hare The Hare posts this data, I’m unsure what the OWH means, my guess something to do with jockey overweight.
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Good question. I don't really know what it means! What the column is for are horses that re carrying overweight from their original handicap mark. So i suppose overweight is what I meant.

Those highlighted in light brown are were the jockey weighed in heavier, so a 1 means they are 1 pound over their handicap mark. The next 2 columns after OWH are highlighted for this and the handicap mark adjusted in the HKR column.

If in green, on Group races and the 4yo series or Longines jockey challenge - this means the jockey was unable to claim their usual allowance. So usually M Poom, who has a 2 pound allowance as a local rider often competes in Group races and the jockey challenge that was held a couple of weeks ago. He is unable to claim his allowance in those events. So the column JA will be highlighted in green and if it is a Group 3 handicap I will adjust the handicap mark.
 
tacker said:
I'm very new to Hong Kong racing but would guess ON WEIGHT HANDICAP.
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Hello T tacker it was just my addition so just the amount of overweight the jockey put up and then the weight and Hong Kong handicap mark in the next 2 columns are the actual weight carried and the relevant mark they ran off. I just added it to check the numbers added up, sometimes errors on the figures I had collected.
 
Results and Sunday card. Might have missed a meeting off last results update, added on this.
 

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Going Allowance
It's difficult to have a reliable GA in HK. If you base it on the Standard Times, it favors the lower classes. For example, on December 15, Harry's Hero achieves an adjusted SR at 126lbs of around 80 for a horse with an HK rating of 27.
So, should we calculate a GA taking Standard Times by class into account? What is your opinion? Harry's Hero is now SR 35 weight ajusted before the impact of the GA.
Thanks
 
La Cressonnière said:
Going Allowance
It's difficult to have a reliable GA in HK. If you base it on the Standard Times, it favors the lower classes. For example, on December 15, Harry's Hero achieves an adjusted SR at 126lbs of around 80 for a horse with an HK rating of 27.
So, should we calculate a GA taking Standard Times by class into account? What is your opinion? Harry's Hero is now SR 35 weight ajusted before the impact of the GA.
Thanks
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You are learning all the problems with speed ratings in HK.
It‘s impossible for me to help because there is no way to compile speed ratings in the same way as we do in the U.K. and make it work with the HK rating system, it’s not going to make sense mathematically.
I have never tried different standards for different classes, no idea if that solves the problems.
You are correct it always favours bottom weights you would think this could open up an advantage over the HK handicapping scale, but this doesn’t play out in the results. If anything the HK scale holds up to scrutiny.
I have now completely designed my methods around the HK scale and abandoned any thoughts of adjusting their scale into the U.K. scale.
 
Outlander said:
You are learning all the problems with speed ratings in HK.
It‘s impossible for me to help because there is no way to compile speed ratings in the same way as we do in the U.K. and make it work with the HK rating system, it’s not going to make sense mathematically.
I have never tried different standards for different classes, no idea if that solves the problems.
You are correct it always favours bottom weights you would think this could open up an advantage over the HK handicapping scale, but this doesn’t play out in the results. If anything the HK scale holds up to scrutiny.
I have now completely designed my methods around the HK scale and abandoned any thoughts of adjusting their scale into the U.K. scale.
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When you notice your GA, for example -5 does it mean FAST by 5 lbs ?
 
SHA TIN - 2024/12/22
Tomorrow, I will do two tests to see how my ratings react to HK.
R2 - ETALON OR - 5,8/1 bad draw ... (2 WORLD HERO 3 JUNEAU PRIDE)
R10 - RAGING BLIZZARD - 8,2/1 (2 WONDER KIT 3 BEAUTY CHARGE)
 
La Cressonnière said:
Does someone know why the last 400m over 8,25f at HP are very slow for a distance around a mile ?
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I hadn't really noticed that it was a slower finish time for that distance than the others at HV, As O Outlander mentions all are over the same sharp final bend and run in. I had a look at the sectional times for the last 4oom and it doesn't really look slower than the others.

These are the sectionals I have for the last 400m at HV, doesn't seem particularly slower?

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You say La Cressonnière La Cressonnière that you don't have much data, if you search through this thread there are all the results going back many years, at the early stages when I started putting them on usually by season. Takes a lot of work after that sorting them out though!

Good luck, excellent selections yesterday by the way.
 
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