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Trading - Lay, Lay, Lay, Back

jdog

Yearling
Hello all,
Need some advice on how the odds move. Will try to be short & precise with my question as not sure how to phrase it.

So, a random scenario, I have identified a horse race market to trade on. I know three things, once I open my position my closing position will either be, 1. Same/No movement, 2. Above/Rise, 3. Below/Fall. After observation of the market I deduce that the odds will fall on the Fav from the current 2.9, down to 2-2.1 range.
I lay the horse at £10 @ 2.9 odds 5 minutes before the off, I know the price range the odds will end up at and that any rise in price from open to minute 3 is just inflation. I expect to exit in the last minute at odds of 2.1-2.3.

So now to the question, once I have opened the 2.9 Lay the odds rise up to 3.3 and then fall to expected range. As the price rises I lay again another £10 @ 3.1 odds, then again another £10 @ 3.25 odds, the odds fall down and then I green up for my profit.
What are my final Lay odds for the £30? If I remember correctly when I done this before once a while ago, my final lay price rose a bit but it was not the highest odds of the 3 bets. If what I remember is true then is there a way to workout or estimate this final lay odds? The point of trading (Not The Point if this triggers you) is to get the closest price to the top of the graph curve and then ride it down to the closest point before it swings the other way or the race starts, if I don't get in on the top is there a way to "get" those extra few ticks to the top to maximize the difference between opening and closing odds?

I hope this makes sense. Thanks for taking the time to help a brother out
 
Thanks for the replies guys, but I have a calculator. What I want to know is, if I back at 3.00, then back again at 3.2 and then back again at 3.5 ll with the same stake, what will my total back odds be before I cashout. Will my final back odds be somewhere in between 3.00 - 3.5?
 
If all same stake
2+2.2+2.5 = 2.23 = 2.23+1 = 3.23
That does not seem right to me, ill explain why and then would you please elaborate, if the equation is correct then that would be a dream come true. So yes they are all same stake so, Bet 1 £10 @ 2.00, Bet 2 £10 @ 2.20, Bet 3 £10 @ 2.50, total staked now is £30 @ 3.23 (If I done it correctly). So if bet 3 was just placed to bring my odds up to 3.23 then the current lay price would be slightly higher than the back price (2.60-2.80) this would be a Arb. Im not sure why you add the 1 to the second part of the equation?
 
That does not seem right to me, ill explain why and then would you please elaborate, if the equation is correct then that would be a dream come true. So yes they are all same stake so, Bet 1 £10 @ 2.00, Bet 2 £10 @ 2.20, Bet 3 £10 @ 2.50, total staked now is £30 @ 3.23 (If I done it correctly). So if bet 3 was just placed to bring my odds up to 3.23 then the current lay price would be slightly higher than the back price (2.60-2.80) this would be a Arb. Im not sure why you add the 1 to the second part of the equation?
It's cos i tend to think in terms of decimal fractions so I'd automatically converted them to that then converted back to pure dec odds at the end via the +1
 
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It's cos i tend to think in terms of decimal fractions so I'd automatically converted them to that then converted back to pure dec odds at the end via the +1
Ahh I see, thank you. Would of been great though, Arb everything then lol
 
AI has explained to me that backing horses early in the hope they can be layed is not the easiest thing to do, after a bit of toing and froing it has convinced me not to go any lower than 4/1 and be careful regarding much higher odds, somewhat confusing but thought i'd give it a try.

Thurs possibles...if opening odds work.
4,55not..MOLLY MAC
8.07..wolv..EMERY DOWN

Both opened too short.
 
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