Would you mix Flat form and A/W
Chesham
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gerry
Mare
I think the all weather and grass are so different would be dangerous mix them then once you have mixed them ability rating wise your now in the realm of what do i do with there form i personally only like taking there grass form and if there horse short in betting like top three and never raced in grass i just jump race right away.
Chesham
Sire
If you don’t mix Flat and AW that’s fine it’s personal choice regarding measuring ability .
The question I would ask is should the going that the horse has won on also be factored in
Quite a few horses perform on both AW and Flat.
At the end of the day the idea I gave is just a measure of class the horse has achieved so far
After an initial Ability measure most would then look at the other variables involved when analysing a race
I was just offering a suggestion for an alternative measure to the VDW Ability Rating
If I remember correctly there have been discussion on should AW wins not be lumped together with Flat wins
The question I would ask is should the going that the horse has won on also be factored in
Quite a few horses perform on both AW and Flat.
At the end of the day the idea I gave is just a measure of class the horse has achieved so far
After an initial Ability measure most would then look at the other variables involved when analysing a race
I was just offering a suggestion for an alternative measure to the VDW Ability Rating
If I remember correctly there have been discussion on should AW wins not be lumped together with Flat wins
gerry
Mare
Yep and good idea to
Chesham a lot better i think that than the original ability but if honest i have never believed in the ability rating that piece you gave us about was it fulham was spot on with a lot how can you rate a horse ability on wins when horse runs in place in far better races take that horse that got beat by frankel few times surely being placed had hindered this horses ability rating yet unjust so.
I would say a horse finishing second in 20k race is better than a horse winning 12k race so maybe some way of awarding it points for that is better and place money not sure thats enough like say second place is 6k in the 20k race so they 12k still better but if beat say 4 lengths you could do some thing like take 4 of the 20k so that race was a 16k to the second now still better than the 12k race that to me sounds more realistic to. would be a lot more data to go through to be fair, is third in that race beaten 8 lengths taking 8 of 20k and now 12k is that the same as winning a winner of 12k race not sure it is but i dont think very often seconds and thirds get beat as far in general.
You could do it to max beat like nothing beat more than 2 lengths count some thing to bring the place horses into the picture in better races .
Chesham a lot better i think that than the original ability but if honest i have never believed in the ability rating that piece you gave us about was it fulham was spot on with a lot how can you rate a horse ability on wins when horse runs in place in far better races take that horse that got beat by frankel few times surely being placed had hindered this horses ability rating yet unjust so.I would say a horse finishing second in 20k race is better than a horse winning 12k race so maybe some way of awarding it points for that is better and place money not sure thats enough like say second place is 6k in the 20k race so they 12k still better but if beat say 4 lengths you could do some thing like take 4 of the 20k so that race was a 16k to the second now still better than the 12k race that to me sounds more realistic to. would be a lot more data to go through to be fair, is third in that race beaten 8 lengths taking 8 of 20k and now 12k is that the same as winning a winner of 12k race not sure it is but i dont think very often seconds and thirds get beat as far in general.
You could do it to max beat like nothing beat more than 2 lengths count some thing to bring the place horses into the picture in better races .
Leodis
Gelding
It will probably end up behind the paywall of a certain 'advisor's' website
Sullybomb
Colt
Would you place the same value to a horse running in a £20k race at say Ripon, as you would a £20K race @ Ascot?Yep and good idea to
I would say a horse finishing second in 20k race is better than a horse winning 12k race so maybe some way of awarding it points for that is better and place money not sure thats enough like say second place is 6k in the 20k race so they 12k still better but if beat say 4 lengths you could do some thing like take 4 of the 20k so that race was a 16k to the second now still better than the 12k race that to me sounds more realistic to. would be a lot more data to go through to be fair, is third in that race beaten 8 lengths taking 8 of 20k and now 12k is that the same as winning a winner of 12k race not sure it is but i dont think very often seconds and thirds get beat as far in general.
You could do it to max beat like nothing beat more than 2 lengths count some thing to bring the place horses into the picture in better races .
gerry
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Leodis
Gelding
I would also average the OR's of the first three home (depending on field size) to form a 'class of the finish' rating. This can be used alongside the median.
Regards
Good call. Well done.
gerry
Mare
no i deff would not and just an other reason why the ability rating is flawed i have never agreed with the ability rating.Would you place the same value to a horse running in a £20k race at say Ripon, as you would a £20K race @ Ascot?
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