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You sound a lot like me Mick. If i didnt know any better i would say i wrote that.

A couple of things. You feel as though it is time to wind down your betting. Trust me, many people feel like that. And i think it is a race against time as to who winds down first. The way the sport is going with incompetent, irrelevant and fourth rate bookmakers and their staff, coupled with out of touch racecourses who charge exorbitant admission charges along with massively overpriced food and drink prices, it seems as though they are quite content to carry on down this road to oblivion. Racing is dying ! It is killing itself from within. People of our age should be thankful that we lived through the golden period of racing and betting where if you wanted a bet, you got that bet. Where bookmakers wanted your business and their staff knew what they were doing. But now............. !!!??? I'd be shocked if i actually walked into a bookmakers and somebody behind the counter actually knew what they were talking about.

I was offered a couple of jobs a few years ago in trading rooms but i had already decided i'd had enough and i said no to both. Apart from the fact that i wouldnt be seen dead in a trading room now, i was making a nice living punting and it just wasnt worth the hassle. But a few months after i turned them down, i was speaking to one of the trading managers. And he told me that their strategy now was not to employ "racing people", they were looking for maths graduates. They didnt want people who had an opinion and would want to take a fav on or get the front two in the market, they just wanted maths people. And thats what you, i and everyone else is up against these days.

And as for a minimum bet guarantee - good luck with that venture. But dont hold your breath.
 
Bula Bula reading some of your above has caused me to indulge in quoting my own post made on another members thread only this Wednesday. Things do not always change for the better although pre recent years i have enjoyed the journey. :)


The above triggered a memory of my very first experience of a betting shop. I was just 17 but had already blagged my way into the local Pub and when it closed at 2.30pm ( remember those days and opening hours ) i followed my older mates into the next door Corals and watched them " enjoy " having 10p bets on each race.

One of them asked me why i was not participating and i replied no way because if i bet on a horse which lost it would piddle me off but likewise if it won and i had staked 10p when it could have been £100. Three years later the same mate was with me in the same shop when off the back of a decent run i had my first ever £100 bet ( which lost ) and he took much pleasure in reminding me of my original thoughts on the subject. :(

Re the above bet it would have been 50yrs ago i forget the horses name but i know i asked for the 4/1 board price and this was accepted without any fuss so i was rather surprised after just googling........... £100 in 1973 is worth £1,547.33 today. Imagine attempting this now you would prob get arrested. :eek:
 
And Outlander is right when he goes on about bookmaker attitudes, winners, responsible gambling etc. The truth is, bookmakers do not give a flying f**k about responsible gambling. Their mouthpieces will say all the right things when they have to but in reality they do nothing. They like to be seen to be doing something but thats as far as it goes. Bookmakers WANT mug punters ! Bookmakers NEED mug punters ! They dont want to be chasing them off. Why would they ?
Their attempts to fool people into thinking that they are doing something are actually quite pathetic. But what is done about it by the powers that be ???? The answer you are looking for is NOTHING !!!
I got in touch with either the Gambling Commission or the Betting and Gaming Council, i cant remember which one it was now. This was about 18 months ago and i was questioning their use of that ridiculous slogan they have at the end of bookmaker adverts - " Take Time To Think" !!
Now what the f**k does that mean ???
If you asked 100 people out on the street what they thought it meant i am almost certain that not one person would know. So i offered my own slogans which they could use free of charge but 18 months later i still have not had a reply. My slogans were --

1 - Excessive gambling can be addictive !!!

2 - Gambling excessively can damage your wealth !!!

3 - Excessive gambling can be detrimental to your health !!!

4 - Gambling irresponsibly can lead to financial, marital and family problems !!!

As of today, they have still not got back to me. Anybody think of any reasons why ? They could have used mine free. No need for consultancy fees.

These (dis)organisations are not fit for purpose and are mainly made up of people who just do not understand gambling. And when i say gambling, i mean betting. Like we used to. Not this casino, poker, blackjack, roulette garbage that is the main cause of all the trouble.
 
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Bula Bula i see you are new to the forum so welcome. If you put @ in front of a members name when mentioning them they will receive an alert Re your post which can prove useful. Although best swerve an mick mick the blokes a known trouble maker and fruit cake. :eek:

Re your non reply from the GC on past occasions i have sent e mails to Bookmakers who had restricted me to peanuts along the truthful lines of .......during the past six months this is the amount i have lost £xxxxx so be aware of what you have missed. Not much point i know but perversely it made me feel better at the time ......... Strangely i also received no response. :)
 
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They should be forced to have a pop up that you have to tick and accept when you log on to all the betting sites.
it should read
We reserve the right to ban or restrict any customer who we deem to be potentially non profitable to our business, do you wish to continue. y/n.
Punters should be aware bookmakers are playing with a fully loaded deck and will not tolerate winning punters
I literally don’t know how U.K. racing can keep going long term, the amount of levy lost from bookmakers banning or restricting punters with sometimes just a couple of races evidence that they might have the occasional winner.
Ive been banned or restricted by at least 3 bookmakers on my very first day betting with them, one Sportingbet I think they were called banned me after 3 bets and 1 winner and a profit of less than £100. I think I had the audacity to take 9/4 on a winner that returned 15/8, that is the level of hair trigger mentality they operate.
Its a mess and can only end with betting and racing industry self destructing, anyone who has genuine interest in the game will find too many roadblocks to participate and give up.
Everyone on here will know I would take my own bets, I have hardly backed a winner since 1992, but the bookies are shit scared of me, they must think I have a crystal ball. What a bunch of pathetic weasels they are.
I have probably had less than 5 bets on U.K. racing in the last 2 years, I just don’t bother , there must be 1000s of disenfranchised punters like myself forced out of the game.
If you force everyone out who has a genuine interest in the game, who is the customer of the future ?
Yes wannabe gangsters who don’t wear socks and sniff cocaine all day and fight with each other over which orange faced molls they wanna sleep with . That shit is not gonna keep funding the sport in my opinion.
 
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Anyone looked at the Tote Win + bets?

Apparently on every UK/IRE race they're offering 10% above their normal win price if the bet is placed directly on their site or app. Therefore as they're now matching isp that means on those races you're guaranteed to beat isp

One of their main guys followed me on twatter so I updated my tote vs bookie charts and posted them up tagging the guy in, he then mentioned tote + prices. As such the tote has sent me win+ , exacta+ and trifecta+ data from Jan22 to now. When I get chance I will load that up and let my code chew on it to produce some more comparisons.


 
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