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Laying 7 Day (and under) Returners

TonCon

Colt
I have long been convinced - although I have no evidence to back up my theory - that it is unprofitable to blindly bet horses that return to the track in 7 days or under.

Such horses are, more often than not, overbet possibly because the '7 day returner' rule is, or was, a popular system for winner finding in days gone by, maybe when training facilities were not as good as they are today.

As Chesham Chesham and others have previously pointed out, it is wise to consider why trainers turn out their horses so quickly. The main, although not the only, reason is to take advantage of their current handicap mark prior to a higher BHB rating resulting in a rise in weight in the near future. While this is uncontestably true part of me thinks that such horses' record lends themselves more to laying rather than betting.

I freely admit that I have no records to back this up, but I do like a good laying thread.

Simple rules:

1. Any horse returning to the track between 1 and 7 days since it's last run.
2. BSP of 10.00 and under. The lay price taken at the same time as posting.

Start tomorrow.
 
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So many today (24) that I haven't had time to look at BF for the prices.

13,00 Wol:
Daysaq -
Peachey Carnehan -
Diamond Cottage -

13.35 Wol -
Storm Melody -
Blue Cable -
Pastfact -

15.20 Wol:
Coronation Cottage -
Red Stripes -

15.35 Pont - Golden Apollo -

15.55 Wol - Divine Connection -

17.15 Pont:
Sound Reason -
Ava Go Joe -

17.35 Bri:
Wiff Waff -
Breezyandbright -

18.05 Bri - Alaskan Wind

18.35 Bri - Tellmeyourstory -

19.05 Bri - Hashtagmetoo -

19.35 Bri - Selecto -

20.05 Bri :
Day Trader -
Incorrigible -
Porfin -

20.35 Bri :
Anjella -
Million Reasons -
The Chain -
 
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Hi T TonCon - HRB is great at quickly finding these theory's out.

Using your above criteria shows a rather large loss...

Althought going well so far this year the year on year stats show a not so good pattern

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Not that I want to be negative towards your time and finding answers but i think you may need to look alittle more specific.

Perhaps looking at NH races where last race was over a longer distance where the races was over testing conditions

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I would like to see chi 4+ and a better ROI but will give you an idea of something to look like. I have found that having a few different ways of approaching a bet rather then a blanket approach pays of alot better!

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I often find the head of the markets are usually right so looking alittle more towards the back end of your selections gives me this

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more of a micro fit with just 1 point a year adv but that took me 2 min to come up with randomly :) add a portfolio of those together and you have some profit!
 
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Hi T TonCon - HRB is great at quickly finding these theory's out.

Using your above criteria shows a rather large loss...

Althought going well so far this year the year on year stats show a not so good pattern

View attachment 103035
Not that I want to be negative towards your time and finding answers but i think you may need to look alittle more specific.

Perhaps looking at NH races where last race was over a longer distance where the races was over testing conditions

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I would like to see chi 4+ and a better ROI but will give you an idea of something to look like. I have found that having a few different ways of approaching a bet rather then a blanket approach pays of alot better!

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Hi runnerjp runnerjp - appreciate your efforts and thank you. No, the bare figures don't look good but I'm hoping that the BSP cut-off of 10.00 will make a significant difference. This will exclude the bigger priced winners which may have skewed the historic data and keep losses (wins) managable.

That's the theory anyway but looking at your latest post it maybe that I rethink the price aspect later on, we'll see how it goes.

I see your figures are based on returners within 5 days - this thread looks at 7 days. Perhaps if you re-run the data with 7 rather than 5 it might give a different result ?
 
So many today (24) that I haven't had time to look at BF for the prices.

13,00 Wol:
Daysaq...L 2/1 +0.95
Peachey Carnehan...L 6/1 +0.95
Diamond Cottage...L 5/1 +0.95

13.35 Wol -
Storm Melody...L 15/2 +0.95
Blue Cable...L 5/2 +0.95
Pastfact...L 9/2 +0.95

15.20 Wol:
Coronation Cottage...L 9/2 +0.95
Red Stripes...L 25/1 NB

15.35 Pont - Golden Apollo...L 16/5 +0.95

15.55 Wol - Divine Connection...L 10/1 NB

17.15 Pont:
Sound Reason...L 6/1 +0.95
Ava Go Joe...L 10/11 +0.95

17.35 Bri:
Wiff Waff...L 3/1 +0.95
Breezyandbright...L 9/4 +0.95

18.05 Bri - Alaskan Wind...L 4/1 +0.95

18.35 Bri - Tellmeyourstory...L 11/10 +0.95

19.05 Bri - Hashtagmetoo...L 9/4 +0.95

19.35 Bri - Selecto...L 3/1 +0.95

20.05 Bri :
Day Trader...L 7/2 +0.95
Incorrigible...L 13/2 +0.95
Porfin...L 10/3 +0.95

20.35 Bri :
Anjella...L 11/10 +0.95
Million Reasons...L 6/1 +0.95
The Chain...L 11/2 +0.95
24/24 - 1 NB - Total +21.85
 
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13.00 Ling - Kayfast Warrior

13.25 Yar - Oh So Woke

13.35 Ling -
Jeddeyd
Pump It Up

13.55 Yar - Piranhadrama

14.55 Catt - Cashew

15.05 Yar - True Courage

16.05 Catt - Jakacan

16.30 Ling -
Firenze Rosa
Starchant


16.40 Catt -
My Thought
Motawaazy

17.05 Bath -
Newyorkstateofmind
Centurion Song
Shalaa Asker

17.10 Catt -
Key Look
Wensley

17.15 Kemp - Quick Breath

17.35 Bath -
Plansina
Her Way

18.15 Kemp - Potenza

18.35 Bath - Wholelotafun

19.05 Bath -
Super Superjack
It's How We Roll

19.35 Bath -
Andre Amar
Something Lucky
Shani

19.05 Kemp -
Bronze River
Ruby Gates
 
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Hi T TonCon - HRB is great at quickly finding these theory's out.

Using your above criteria shows a rather large loss...

Althought going well so far this year the year on year stats show a not so good pattern

View attachment 103035
Not that I want to be negative towards your time and finding answers but i think you may need to look alittle more specific.

Perhaps looking at NH races where last race was over a longer distance where the races was over testing conditions

View attachment 103036

I would like to see chi 4+ and a better ROI but will give you an idea of something to look like. I have found that having a few different ways of approaching a bet rather then a blanket approach pays of alot better!

View attachment 103037
runnerjp runnerjp would you please do me a big favour that's if you've got the time.

I'd be interested in knowing the figures on the Flat for the following criteria -

Days since last run...1 to 7
SP between 1/2 and 2/1

Thanks in advance.
 
13.00 Ling - Kayfast Warrior...W 3.65 -2.65
13.25 Yar - Oh So Woke...L 5/6 +0.95

13.35 Ling -
Jeddeyd...NR
Pump It Up...L 7/4 0.95

13.55 Yar - Piranhadra...NB

14.55 Catt - Cashew...L 6/4 +0.95

15.05 Yar - True Courage...W -2.56

16.05 Catt - Jakacan...NB

16.30 Ling -
Firenze Rosa...NB
Starchant...NB


16.40 Catt -
My Thought...L 5/2 +0.95
Motawaazy...W 3.2 -2.2

17.05 Bath -
Newyorkstateofmind...NR
Centurion Song...W 7.3 -6.3
Shalaa Asker...L 6/4 +0.95

17.10 Catt -
Key Look...L 7/1 +0.95
Wensley...L 4/1 +0.95

17.15 Kemp - Quick Breath...L 3/1 +0.95

17.35 Bath -
Plansina...L 15/2 0.95
Her Way...L 6/5 0.95

18.15 Kemp - Potenza...W 3.06 -2.06

18.35 Bath - Wholelotafun...L 7/2 +0.95

19.05 Bath -
Super Superjack...W 3.4 -2 40
It's How We Roll...L 13/2 +0.95

19.35 Bath -
Andre Amar...L 5/1 +0.95
Something Lucky...NB
Shani...W 5.3 -4.3

19.45 Kemp -
Bronze River...NB
Ruby Gates...NB
Daily Total : -17.77 +12.35 = -5.42

Running Total 2 Days : +16.43

Going to park this for a while - 53 bets over 2 days is unsubstainable.
 
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