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The problem with horses like Supreme King last week is not highlighting them, but given that they are intrinsically speculative, judging whether the odds represent value.

VDW knew that the market was a good guide in that, on average favourites won more often than 2nd favourites, etc etc, but also that it was a very long way from infallible, with most favourites losing. I think he was saying that if the market made a horse favourite and it lost badly it is worth trying to work out the reason, because it is likely to be relevant to the horse's chance next time out.

There are always several possibilities. The market may have been unjustified in making the horse favourite - maybe over-influenced by something other than the horse's form. If the market position was justifed, did something go wrong in the race, a very slow start in a sprint, being badly baulked when starting a run etc etc? If one can see no such reason, we have to consider others.

Moving from the general to the particular, was the market justified in making Supreme King favourite on 04/12/25, bearing in mind that it saw it as essentially a two horse race with Supreme King going off at 9/4 and Fantasy Master 11/4? From a VDW perspective it was slightly perverse, as Fantasy Master was the class/form horse while Supreme King was not a "form" horse. But leaving VDW considerations aside, Supreme King had by far the best win in the field in 2025 and it was reasonable that he should be at or near the front of the market.

So how to understand his poor run? The Post's comment was:

"Took keen hold, prominent, lost ground but in touch with leaders over 4f out, weakened inside final furlong (op 5/2)"

The Life's

"Prominent, pulled hard early, chased leaders 2f out, edged towards centre when ridden 1f out, soon weakened op 5/2."

No great issue in running,seemingly, and I can see nothing in Supreme King's history to suggest that the conditions on the day were wrong for him.

So, an unexplained poor run and worth watching what happens next.

He came out a fortnight later in a race of similar class, and again his history suggested nothing adverse in the conditions.

In the field, two horses had much better "exposed" form; Ay Gee Ell had won lto and Vince Lombardi had come a close second on his last run. No surprise to see them at the head of the market. But in terms of back class, Supreme King had much the best in the field in 2025, at a level well capable of winning the race (he was also the VDW class horse in the race). But coming into it on the back of an 8th, beaten over 6l, understandable that he was less popular with the market, and he went off 5th favourite in an eight horse race.

He might have run down the field again, when the VDW assumption would have been that he was in a period of not being in form which began on 19/11/25. But of course he won and the stewards were interested in the improvement in form. Given that the trainer's rep had no explanation, it seems unlikely that the horse had some minor health issue undiagnosed before the 04/12/25 race, because if he had, stating that would have been a reasonable explanation to the stewards. I think VDW would assume, because of the low price on 04/12/25, that the loss was not unwelcome.

He could of course not be sure; before the race, as suggested above, the horse might simply have been in a not in form period. But he might have thought 13/2 in that field, where there were obvious question marks about the market leaders, was a value bet.
 
Posted Pre Race today .

As well as looking for a horse who is “In The Zone “ Look to see what the Coach Driver is shouting to you when they start to drive into the Zone “The Odds Are It”

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QUOTE VDW

Providing you READ WHAT WAS THERE . The last was in capitals because it was all there although a vital factor, call it the missing link if you like was not deliberately
pointed out. It is there for you to see and it was not covered up, but until you approach the problem in the right way the odds are it will remain obsscure. once you find it
everything will be so clear that you will wonder how on earth you could miss it.

We may all want to get to the same destination, but there is no obligation to board the same transport or go via the same route, what matters is that you arrive. whatever decision you make it is advisable to read the small print on the ticket before setting out because the odds are that it will contain things which are not at first apparent. I know the majority who decided to try my way neglected to do thisand it has brought them a great deal of needless frustration.

Racing probably involves more controversy than politics and religion put together, indeed without differences of opinion the betting side, which is of prime interest to Raceform readers, could not exist. The situation has to obtain in order that a market can be formed, but the irony is that the principle ingredient for successful punting narrows the field of play.

“Self discipline and an acute awareness of the odds are essential”



MY favourite VDW QUOTE


Being given a list of ingredients to bake a cake will not make a super cook of you. There is an art about culinary expertise just as there is with punting”
 
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There's a runner in the 6.30 Wolv, that had run in Hong Kong last year, and its mark looks regressive. (71 to 58).

Then comes to the UK given a mark of 85, runs twice, now off a mark of 78 today.

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However, it does have some useful form from 2-3 years ago off marks of 102 & 103, probably the reason it got taken to Hong Kong.

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Can't see it winning today, but it'll go in the tracker if it shows any sort of improved run.

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John Butler has a runner in the 2.13 Newcastle: Joseph. It's gone into my ATR tracker as I reckon it's being prepared for a win in the next few runs. Maybe not today, as there's a hotpot in the race. They might even wait for the ITV cameras and the increased Friday night prize money.

0-14, OR dropping from it's first ever 76 --> 66, dropped to a Class 6. Has run well in Class 2 Novices at Southwell and likes Newcastle too. Probably pissed off it got raised 1lb for it's 2nd on the 24th November 2025. New jockey on today, will likely follow whatever orders given.

Last few runs have seen it slow away, in the rear, it does have form though where it runs more prominently. Reckon, on the day it wins, it'll be up there with the pace. It's ISP has been quite low, 7/2, 3/1, 11/2 in recent class 5 races, today 8/1+, so that could tell a story.

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One of my ratings sheet highlights it for todays race, but no bet for me, just a watching brief.

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Joseph beaten 3 3/4 lengths, reckon a 2lb drop for the next race.

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John Butler ……looked at the horses profile and nothing tempts .
I have the word dodgy against Mr Butler not sure why ……..
 
Previously mentioned Joseph, the ATR tracker notified me, but I left it as the price was too short.

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Looking back at those that finished ahead of it on it's last run, form-lines looked good.

Was ridden more prominently, got hampered, but still won. Follow up?

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