Hexham June 15th
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Poz
Gelding
Off again this Friday...mlmrob gave a superb breakdown of signs and indicators of horse behaviour last year. So are there any declarations that raise interest for Friday. I already have saved the 4 day declaration stage. Any trainers birthdays eye-catching jockey bookings or in form local trainers. When at Catterick the other week there was a group of 9 owners talking to a trainer centre parade ring who was laughing and joking. The horse was second favourite but the wife and I chucked our entire £30 per race allowance and it romped in.....
All comments welcome up to race day
All comments welcome up to race day
mlmrob
Sire
Off again this Friday...mlmrob gave a superb breakdown of signs and indicators of horse behaviour last year. So are there any declarations that raise interest for Friday. I already have saved the 4 day declaration stage. Any trainers birthdays eye-catching jockey bookings or in form local trainers. When at Catterick the other week there was a group of 9 owners talking to a trainer centre parade ring who was laughing and joking. The horse was second favourite but the wife and I chucked our entire £30 per race allowance and it romped in.....
All comments welcome up to race day
Clovis Boy had three entries at this meeting. Both handicap chases and the three mile handicap hurdle. I thought it strange as the horse needs bottomless ground.
It is going to rain overnight and from 1pmish tomorrow, Hexham is expected to get a deluge of rain. All part of storm Amy. Come race time at 5.37pm, the ground is likely to be bottomless as they have been watering.
A word to the wise
Poz. Be wary of course and distance hurdlers as Hexham are trying out a new soft cushion hurdle. Some horses have tried them out but unfortunately I am not privy to who.John Dawson top point to point trainer and rider has his first runner as a fully fledged licensed trainer. Cap Ricochet is owned by Richard Burridge and carries the colours of Desert Orchid. If you go back far enough through his pedigree, Desert Orchid is in there.
John trains out of Mary Reveley's old yard at Lingdale and the booking of Brian Hughes appears significant.
John knows the time of day and he breaks in horses for Charlie Johnston, Ed Bethell and Michael Dods.
It won't be a surprise if Cap Ricochet runs well but I am aware of Lara Horsfall travelling up from Towcester with one horse and Charlie Deutsch travelling for just the one ride on Slemish.
Have a great day.
Poz
Gelding
Thanks fella...here we are leaving in an hour and with help from the racing post smart app and looking at top jocks and trainers these are the bets per race we are currently going for.
R1
looking for a betting w/o bookies to back Frammy and Rock DJ
R2
Theatre Light Slemish and Cap Ricochet
R3
Double Digits T or Coffey Glory and Honour
R4
Could Be Trouble Divilabother Lez's Legacy
R5
Lelantos Wee Alki Justlikefire
R6
Am Still Here Stylish Recruit Royal Deeside
R7
Upfordebate McGregors Charge
R1
looking for a betting w/o bookies to back Frammy and Rock DJ
R2
Theatre Light Slemish and Cap Ricochet
R3
Double Digits T or Coffey Glory and Honour
R4
Could Be Trouble Divilabother Lez's Legacy
R5
Lelantos Wee Alki Justlikefire
R6
Am Still Here Stylish Recruit Royal Deeside
R7
Upfordebate McGregors Charge
I was watching Sky Sports Racing yesterday - conditions looked absolutely foul!
Ground was "good", changing to good to soft after race 2 according to Racing Post. That seemed hopeful, looking at all the non-runners and horses strewn out like washing by the finish of many of the races. I wonder how mnay horses down tools in heavy wind though - I know I can;t stand it!
Ground was "good", changing to good to soft after race 2 according to Racing Post. That seemed hopeful, looking at all the non-runners and horses strewn out like washing by the finish of many of the races. I wonder how mnay horses down tools in heavy wind though - I know I can;t stand it!
ARAZI91
Mare
Wind & Racehorses -
It's not about horses "downing tools" M matty1976 - racehorses don't have that mental frailty that humans do, they have as a breed been carefully selected and trained to do one thing over hundreds of years - race. If racehorses are internally sound and feel no pain they will run to the level of exhaustion and be in the "red zone" of endurance far longer than any human.
So how does wind affect performance then ?
We know that wind has an effect on racetimes - therefore the pace of the race. Given that horses run within a tight tolerance of distance range due to stamina limitations then wind can have a massive effect. A pack of racehorses running into a gusting 20mph headwind are slowed on average by as much as 8-10 lbs per 60 seconds. The effects of running WITH a gusting 20mph tailwind behind are speeded up slightly less than that per 60 seconds. More damaging though can be the cross wind where at gusts of 20mph within a constant windspeed of say 15mph that can have a "sail" like effect on the pack, especially those more exposed and without "cross-cover". Horses have un-proportionally large "sides" plonked on top of very spindly legs in comparison, so when the cross wind hits those sides (near side/off side depending on direction) become like large "sails" which retards speed and causes more resistance to the mechanics of running - the horse will still run - only slower.
Where a horse is placed in the pack is also important when looking at wind as some will "draft" through cover and be less affected and some will be more exposed, so when the race really starts and maximum effort is called for, some will have more energy left than others. Smaller fields will be less prone to effects than larger fields whilst a pack of professional experienced jockeys will be less affected than inexperienced conditional jockeys. Also the speeding up/slowing down effect is not exactly linear - I used 20mph gusts/15mph constant above as an example but the effects become much larger with even small increases of wind speed/gust speed over that. So race times can be stretched or condensed by windspeed - the going may have been in the degree of "good-soft" yesterday but the times (which are in effect "distance") looked stretched to correlate to "heavy"
One other area though where winds of the magnitude of yesterday will have is through "sound" - horses are highly sensitive to noise - winds of that magnitude yesterday produce a tremendous sound and this can affect concentration and focus by distraction and also cause an increase in heart rate.
Lastly and again winds (on the scale of yesterday) can affect the respiratory system with those prone to breathing or "wind" issues (no pun intended) in the past being more affected.
As a breed though they still run in all sorts of conditions and successfully too - again, if no pain racehorses will run and give their all until they are exhausted. Before they even get to that point they have a far higher level of "running on empty" than humans.
Should a punter be wary of "form" of races run in the extreme wind conditions experienced yesterday at Hexham??
Oh fuck YES. With the attrition rate looking to increase as the meeting went on and a total of 22 of the 56 runners being eventually pulled up (~40%) I'd venture to say that it is highly probable that the majority of those races are worth very little and not a true reflection of ability.
Looking at the results yesterday and any lessons to be learned going forward - in the vary last, a handicap chase over 3m where wind and gust speed were at their highest, there were 4 horses in a field of 9 all with tongue ties on (suggesting previous breathing/respiratory issues) - that those 4 all were at the front of the betting could have been a "way-in" to the race - they filled 4 of the last 5 places. Also notice that there was a horse returning from "wind surgery" (again no pun intended - wind issues usually involve the process of air inhalation) last time in the race before that and was backed down to favouritism - he finished over 60 lengths behind the winner.
Maybe some contextual things to look for the next time we know that races are going to be run in extreme winds.
Btw - NO AI was used in the construction of this reply.
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I think maybe a punters write up for each horse.
"FUCKFORM" - totally unique race comments could be a massive selling point
comfortable start, started to get confident 4 out, slight clenching of ass cheeks 3 , excited as a Somalian regufee in a Swedish nightclub 2 out, armchair getting a beating 1 out, under pressure and sweat cascading inside final furlong, distress signals as heart rate reaches 170bpm close home, jockey lambasted vigorously last strides, remote smashed against wall and cat kicked as everything went to shite finish.
ARAZI91
Mare
gerry
Mare
I still believe the old saying the horse is in the van during racing is so underrated and not even mentioned in commentary as much now if ever.
But the amount of horses especially over a mile and further who sit in the van just behind leader with all cover seem to win a fair share of races.
And when i paid attention to it a little earlier in the season a trainer who a lot say is unpredictable m johnston who used to let a lot of his horses lead, and you new beat when way at the back actually looks like they perform a lot better now when sitting in the van during race.
But the amount of horses especially over a mile and further who sit in the van just behind leader with all cover seem to win a fair share of races.
And when i paid attention to it a little earlier in the season a trainer who a lot say is unpredictable m johnston who used to let a lot of his horses lead, and you new beat when way at the back actually looks like they perform a lot better now when sitting in the van during race.
gerry
Mare
That must be how you have been feeling at
ARAZI91 in last half dozen or so games watching the celtic as i would say its the worst i have seen them playing for long time only thing in there favour is rangers ticking along just the same is scottish football really got this bad.
I f know one can topple the two this season mainly hearts by looks of it then i think they should boycott the lot.
ARAZI91 in last half dozen or so games watching the celtic as i would say its the worst i have seen them playing for long time only thing in there favour is rangers ticking along just the same is scottish football really got this bad.I f know one can topple the two this season mainly hearts by looks of it then i think they should boycott the lot.
ARAZI91
Mare
Aww....Fuck off......i mean buzz...offThat must be how you have been feeling at
I f know one can topple the two this season mainly hearts by looks of it then i think they should boycott the lot.
gerry lol
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