Can we please forget about people who have now left the forum, it's all getting a bit silly now and I can't really see the point.
Boyo was /is a complete fantasist who lost any credibility ages ago and swore to me that he would never attempt to join here again. He then keeps breaking that promise whenever he has had a few jars too many and thinks he's on a winning run, and for some reason certain people feel sorry for him.
Midlands /Orion may have his problems, in which case he is perfectly free to contact us and explain whatever he feels the need to.
That goes for anyone who feels they have been unfairly excluded.
Sorry, but I do think that this thread has lost all lucidity, and I apologise to those who have contributed to it, but I do feel it is going totally off track now, and I think we should try and take the points raised elsewhere, as I am sure I'm not the only one who is having problems following the various discussions.
Please look at the thread title and respond to that, if you have any concerns not regarding that then please feel free to start a new thread relevant to your subject