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Scott Rose

Hey guys been using this forum for a long time just never post.

I create my own standard times and have been doing so for about 7 years.

I have data from the beginning of time on racingpost and I have just done a run covering 0ms.

I can give anyone an excels sheet with any data they need.
For example: If you want
Kempton AW- 1m-Class 5- 0-65-4yo+Apprentice jockeys-9st10-drawn 5-OR-63

My Excel sheet can give you all the race finishing times for that criteria.

Very simple to use and makes compiling standard times so easy with quick access to anything you need.

Scott
 
Hello Scott

An excellent effort. I also have loads of results and information. But interested in how you compile the standard times?

It is admittedly not too difficult to take a certain percentile of times on all weather racing. The difficulty is in the going and distance variations that happen in turf racing.

A while back i posted about compiling standard times. But now thanks to the Racing Post somewhat random methods of informing us of distance changes it is apparent how rarely e#races are run over the same trip. As Mike (The Blues Brothers) is so kind to supply us with loads of information on race times, he has learned how to adjust for these variations but it is for me so time consuming. I know accurate speed figures can be really useful but there are so many other factors time can be spoent on that are perhaps more rewarding?

Do you have success using your own figures?

If you have a list of all the rail movements and distance variations that would be real interesting but i know it is a real trawl to obtain the information from the Racing Post.

Good Luck Scott

Kevin
 
I read a lot of blues brothers post's he is an asset to this place.

All my data has the distance information in the files. When i take the time. I can then add or subtract calculations according to the comments if any.
Obtaining the information isnt easy no.

The All weather is far more consistent then the turf.
Weight is waste of time I do not take weight into consideration from a computed prospect it is a complete waste of time. Weight affects horses in so many different ways.

For example: Hose A beat Horse B by 2 lengths. They are both 6 year old geldings. They are fully exposed and have both had 3 runs this season. Now today they are racing again. Horse A is now carrying 2lbs more and Horse be has come down on his Official ratting and Is carrying 5lbs les. That is a total of 8lbs difference. Horse B be also now has a respected 5lb claming jockey on. They are both drawn well and have similar racing styles.
Yet time after time- Horse A still goes and wins the race.

Every horse is unique and every horse has a weight limit but some are just not effect by weight as much as others.

That is the problem with speed ratings. Rather then waste time on actual ratings with weight involvement.

For example today I at Lingfield I had clement top rated (clearly top) but if i used weight he wouldnt of been. He hosed up today.

Yet for some horses 3lbs ca be the difference between winners and non tryers. Remember the higher up in the ratings more likely the trainer wants the weight to come off. So the horse will be less fit etc...

So many variables.. But the whole point of form is to be on the better horse. I prefer consistency. There are too many variables adding and subtracting weight whereas with the best time figure you know your most likely on the better horse.

There is a shit load of money to be made from using standard times. I had Gamgoom today as top rated. Without using weight 33/1 second.

I use the likely hood of the race set up- best suiting pace- the fastest speed rating of any runner in those styled runners.

Why dont people even consider this?
Allocated every runner either 1,2 or 3
1 for front runner
2 for middle
3 for hold up horses.

Back the 3 highest rating in those selections, obviously needs tweaking as this wouldn't be viable in a 5 runner race with a 1/2 fav...
use something like this and your make more money then using speed ratings.

Scott
 
Scott Rose said:
I read a lot of blues brothers post's he is an asset to this place.

All my data has the distance information in the files. When i take the time. I can then add or subtract calculations according to the comments if any.
Obtaining the information isnt easy no.

The All weather is far more consistent then the turf.
Weight is waste of time I do not take weight into consideration from a computed prospect it is a complete waste of time. Weight affects horses in so many different ways.

For example: Hose A beat Horse B by 2 lengths. They are both 6 year old geldings. They are fully exposed and have both had 3 runs this season. Now today they are racing again. Horse A is now carrying 2lbs more and Horse be has come down on his Official ratting and Is carrying 5lbs les. That is a total of 8lbs difference. Horse B be also now has a respected 5lb claming jockey on. They are both drawn well and have similar racing styles.
Yet time after time- Horse A still goes and wins the race.

Every horse is unique and every horse has a weight limit but some are just not effect by weight as much as others.

That is the problem with speed ratings. Rather then waste time on actual ratings with weight involvement.

For example today I at Lingfield I had clement top rated (clearly top) but if i used weight he wouldnt of been. He hosed up today.

Yet for some horses 3lbs ca be the difference between winners and non tryers. Remember the higher up in the ratings more likely the trainer wants the weight to come off. So the horse will be less fit etc...

So many variables.. But the whole point of form is to be on the better horse. I prefer consistency. There are too many variables adding and subtracting weight whereas with the best time figure you know your most likely on the better horse.

There is a shit load of money to be made from using standard times. I had Gamgoom today as top rated. Without using weight 33/1 second.

I use the likely hood of the race set up- best suiting pace- the fastest speed rating of any runner in those styled runners.

Why dont people even consider this?
Allocated every runner either 1,2 or 3
1 for front runner
2 for middle
3 for hold up horses.

Back the 3 highest rating in those selections, obviously needs tweaking as this wouldn't be viable in a 5 runner race with a 1/2 fav...
use something like this and your make more money then using speed ratings.

Scott
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Interesting post.
 
Scott Rose said:
I read a lot of blues brothers post's he is an asset to this place.

All my data has the distance information in the files. When i take the time. I can then add or subtract calculations according to the comments if any.
Obtaining the information isnt easy no.

The All weather is far more consistent then the turf.
Weight is waste of time I do not take weight into consideration from a computed prospect it is a complete waste of time. Weight affects horses in so many different ways.

For example: Hose A beat Horse B by 2 lengths. They are both 6 year old geldings. They are fully exposed and have both had 3 runs this season. Now today they are racing again. Horse A is now carrying 2lbs more and Horse be has come down on his Official ratting and Is carrying 5lbs les. That is a total of 8lbs difference. Horse B be also now has a respected 5lb claming jockey on. They are both drawn well and have similar racing styles.
Yet time after time- Horse A still goes and wins the race.

Every horse is unique and every horse has a weight limit but some are just not effect by weight as much as others.

That is the problem with speed ratings. Rather then waste time on actual ratings with weight involvement.

For example today I at Lingfield I had clement top rated (clearly top) but if i used weight he wouldnt of been. He hosed up today.

Yet for some horses 3lbs ca be the difference between winners and non tryers. Remember the higher up in the ratings more likely the trainer wants the weight to come off. So the horse will be less fit etc...

So many variables.. But the whole point of form is to be on the better horse. I prefer consistency. There are too many variables adding and subtracting weight whereas with the best time figure you know your most likely on the better horse.

There is a shit load of money to be made from using standard times. I had Gamgoom today as top rated. Without using weight 33/1 second.

I use the likely hood of the race set up- best suiting pace- the fastest speed rating of any runner in those styled runners.

Why dont people even consider this?
Allocated every runner either 1,2 or 3
1 for front runner
2 for middle
3 for hold up horses.

Back the 3 highest rating in those selections, obviously needs tweaking as this wouldn't be viable in a 5 runner race with a 1/2 fav...
use something like this and your make more money then using speed ratings.

Scott
Click to expand...


Very interesting point of view...
 
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