• Hi Guest Just in case you were not aware I wanted to highlight that you can now get a free 7 day trial of Horseracebase here.
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Proform Opinions?

Proform have launched a new feature today

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a right click on any green arrow - brings up instant reply of the race - no need to be members of RUK or ATR no need to log on to to either completely automatic every race back to 2016 pete pete and other race readers - this would be of great assistance to you
 
markfinn said:
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pete and other race readers - this would be of great assistance to you
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just noticed this, thanks for the info markfinn markfinn is this inside the software or on website?
 
pete said:
just noticed this, thanks for the info markfinn markfinn is this inside the software or on website?
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def in the form book I assume its on the web site - hang on a min or two I will ask - yes in a couple of weeks they will be - I rarely watch a race must have watched a dozen today - instant access right to what you need - reference library on you desk
 
kenny jones said:
Hi Viva,
Bugger the systems I think by what I have read you are already going down the right path.You have mentioned the two magic words FORM STUDY...and THAT is what it is all about.Stats and facts are important but secondary,the most important thing I can say to you is study the race,watch as many replays as possible,make notes and then make some more notes and when you have finished making those note make some more:
SPACIALISE:Very important,nobody on planet earth with all the software in the world can be a specialist on a 3 mile romp round a muddy old field and also be an expert on a 5 furlong dash on the fibresand SPECIALISE IN A GROUP OF DISTANCES.
BUT even after all that you are only half way there,the next thing is getting the right price.If you think a horse is in with a chance and it is 3/1,forget it.If its 200/1 bet it. I am not going to wax lyrical about Value because most of the stuff written about value is nonsense,just have a simple yardstick that if you think that horse is in with a chance then you want 6/1 or above.It's the only way to make a profit.
System and ratings can be good fun but ultimately when it comes to selections you have to walk your own wilderness.
ken
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Rather than Blah Blah Why not post an analysis using the techniques that you describe above, including why the horse is value. Most of stick our head above the parapet with whatever analysis we are using . If You claim to advise FORM STUDY and SPECIALISE it should be easy for you to demonstrate Pre Race how you set about that .
 
kenny jones said:
I am not going to wax lyrical about Value because most of the stuff written about value is nonsense,just have a simple yardstick that if you think that horse is in with a chance then you want 6/1 or above.It's the only way to make a profit.
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Well you are welcome to wax lyrical about value providing readers can see the good sense in your thinking. Re your above although i am not one of them i see several members who turn a profit via focusing on shorter priced picks, and they prove the pudding by pre race posting. :)
 
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mick said:
Well you are welcome to wax lyrical about value providing readers can see the good sense in your thinking. Re your above although i am not one of them i see several of members who turn a profit via focusing on shorter priced picks, and they prove the pudding by pre race posting. :)
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Hi Mick,
I think trying to profit from fav's is a hiding to nothing,there is a whole parasitic betting industry living from total comfort to fabulous wealth as a result.Shorter priced picks can encompass a whole range of prices,and a lot would depend on the type of race.If Dancing Brave was around Ascot with Neddy the Blackpool donkey then the 1/30 you would get about The Brave,is tremedous value,and the 1000/1 about Neddy bad value.Out of these two I would be on Neddy everytime just in case The Brave was having an off day :) :) :)
Good Luck
Ken
 
Hi kenny jones kenny jones Re your above what your actually saying is that where you have failed others cannot succeed. ? My post which you quoted says otherwise. One of our members posted a copy of Phil Bulls actual bets for a year and the vast majority where market leaders. The avg price of my own bets is 10/1 so i have no argument with backing bigger priced horses but only that while we all form our own opinions it is also important to respect those expressed by others. :)
 
mick said:
Hi kenny jones kenny jones Re your above what your actually saying is that where you have failed others cannot succeed. ? My post which you quoted says otherwise. One of our members posted a copy of Phil Bulls actual bets for a year and the vast majority where market leaders. The avg price of my own bets is 10/1 so i have no argument with backing bigger priced horses but only that while we all form our own opinions it is also important to respect those expressed by others. :)
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Hi Mick,
When you refer to Phil Bull are you talking about THE phil bull or are you referring to somebody called phil bull on this or another forum(handle)
ken
 
kenny jones said:
Hi Mick,
When you refer to Phil Bull are you talking about THE phil bull or are you referring to somebody called phil bull on this or another forum(handle)
ken
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The Timeform Phil Bull who was acknowledged as a very successful backer. Below is the info i was referring to and shows the very low avg prices he played at. ( final column )

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mick said:
Hi kenny jones kenny jones Re your above what your actually saying is that where you have failed others cannot succeed. ? My post which you quoted says otherwise. One of our members posted a copy of Phil Bulls actual bets for a year and the vast majority where market leaders. The avg price of my own bets is 10/1 so i have no argument with backing bigger priced horses but only that while we all form our own opinions it is also important to respect those expressed by others. :)
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My thoughts re value are simple - if my systems throw up a selection then I bet it no matter what the price. I consider all of them represent 'value' because I am making a profit overall.
 
mick said:
The Timeform Phil Bull who was acknowledged as a very successful backer. Below is the info i was referring to and shows the very low avg prices he played at. ( final column )

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Hi Mick,
Bloomin Ada that sheet is nearly 60 years old!!!.Racing has jumped several quantum leaps since then!!!!!!.I take your point though.I have always backed above 6/1(or there abouts) but before that I used to knock about the front end of the field.I could only scrape break-even or expenses.I still think fav's backers are on a hiding to nothing,but that is just my experience and if people can make a long term profit from this then I would take my hat off them,but there again I haven't got a hat.:) :) :) :)
kenny
 
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