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How to Make Horse Racing More Popular or Just Better for you

markfinn

Sire
It is possible to look at the observed record of Irish handicappers at Cheltenham in recent seasons and take from there whether the BHA's approach is justified.

At the last three festivals, Irish runners have accounted for 23.8 per cent of the total of 686 runners in handicaps. From that pool, they have produced 32.5 per cent of placed horses and 53.3 per cent of winners across the same period.

In terms of winners, that corresponds to an impact value of 2.24 - which is to say that an Irish-trained winner of a festival handicap is more than twice as likely than if all runners had a perfectly equal chance. The impact value among placed horses is 1.37. That is obviously less headline-grabbing, but still represents a significant edge.

 
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arkle55

Sire
What ever happened to French trainers sending runners to the UK. I have no stats but it does appear the numbers have dropped of. For this to happen they must be doing something right as well as offering better prize money, and they only operate a pmu / tote system (i'm not sure if the French have anything similar to Betfair) The French in general have small crowds just like the UK, i have noticed though since Longchamp reopened on a Thursday / Friday evening they now appear to have a large crowd of the younger generation, maybe they have been enticed with freebies.

Arkle
 

markfinn

Sire
What ever happened to French trainers sending runners to the UK. I have no stats but it does appear the numbers have dropped of. For this to happen they must be doing something right as well as offering better prize money, and they only operate a pmu / tote system (i'm not sure if the French have anything similar to Betfair) The French in general have small crowds just like the UK, i have noticed though since Longchamp reopened on a Thursday / Friday evening they now appear to have a large crowd of the younger generation, maybe they have been enticed with freebies.

Arkle
Its a city course and has good public transport links - actually quite a nice walk - would be a good Friday night out / long weekend destination experience ?
 

arkle55

Sire
I always enjoyed the free bus ride. :D And if you could get in for free even better, sometimes you may have to pay 4 euros as much as 10 euros if it was the Arc in October time. Autumn was always a nice time of year for the Arc, i can remember my Mrs getting in for free because she was wearing a hat. I have never seen anything like that in the UK.


Arkle
 
It is possible to look at the observed record of Irish handicappers at Cheltenham in recent seasons and take from there whether the BHA's approach is justified.

At the last three festivals, Irish runners have accounted for 23.8 per cent of the total of 686 runners in handicaps. From that pool, they have produced 32.5 per cent of placed horses and 53.3 per cent of winners across the same period.

In terms of winners, that corresponds to an impact value of 2.24 - which is to say that an Irish-trained winner of a festival handicap is more than twice as likely than if all runners had a perfectly equal chance. The impact value among placed horses is 1.37. That is obviously less headline-grabbing, but still represents a significant edge.
Dallas Des Pictons runs in the feature novice Chase today, having bypassed Cheltenham because he was 12lb higher in the uk. Raised 5lb for recent race and little future options, if he can stay in a prominent posi, double figs on the exchange does make some appeal
 

markfinn

Sire
Would any one agree racing is fighting a loss of interest. ITV are doing a reasonable job of promoting the sport, but it needs more. I was thinking yesterday that if we had a few of decent sized nationalised / public owned stables and horses etc - that always were garaunteed to run with full intent - how much interest and support that - that would engender for the sport.
 

primrose4

Yearling
I agree with what Mark Finn said above. The fact that all but
the very best race meetings are shown on a minority ITV channel
is one of the first negatives that the sport faces. It shows a total
lack of interest in the sport by the general public.

It has always amazed me at just how well football hogs the headlines
whilst other sports (greyhound racing and speedway were very popular
in the days of World of Sport) just wither on the vine. Many footballers
would appear to be quite disreputable. The most recent example being
Harry Maguire. Yet you can guarantee that the top clubs will guarantee
massive crowds for the forseeable future.

Perhaps the reason that football has always been the number one sport
is that it is so easy for anybody to practice. Tennis is perhaps the next easiest
sport to participate in whist the likes of cricket and rugby need specialist areas
in which to perform.

Getting back to horse racing, the sport does need more characters. For a long
time it is fair to state that Frankie Dettori has carried the sport on his back in
terms of personality. Against that though in the 1970's and into the early 80's
Lester Piggott was head and shoulders above a number of other very talented
jockeys, but he refused to ever give any interviews. I realise that Lester did have
a speech impediment.

The courses themselves have tried to improve attendances by offering pop musicians
after the racing has finished to attract a younger clientele. This became a negative
though since people were waiting outside to just watch the band having no interest
in the preceding racing.

Perhaps if racing was to ask itself why the Grand National generates so much interest
from the general public and yet the rest of racing seems to exist below the line may go
some way to answer the question of how to generate a much greater audience share.
 

pawras

Colt
If they did a horse racing version of Tiffani's Big City tips (come on admit who saw that many moons ago) I'd be more inclined to watch the racing coverage other than just putting the sound on for the actual races.
I'd be happy if they rotated a few though ie "And in the St Ledger market Santiago has shortened by a 1/4 point and English King is turning into a big drifter...I'm Francesca/Haley/Alex and these are my big racing tips...."
Mind you if they put Balding on it would be like the start of Day of the Triffards ie guys across the country all screaming aahhhh my eyes they burn...

 

markfinn

Sire
If they did a horse racing version of Tiffani's Big City tips (come on admit who saw that many moons ago) I'd be more inclined to watch the racing coverage other than just putting the sound on for the actual races.
I'd be happy if they rotated a few though ie "And in the St Ledger market Santiago has shortened by a 1/4 point and English King is turning into a big drifter...I'm Francesca/Haley/Alex and these are my big racing tips...."
Mind you if they put Balding on it would be like the start of Day of the Triffards ie guys across the country all screaming aahhhh my eyes they burn...

Yes that would work - Reading the BHA are going to move to help horse owners with some kind of help either with a direct trainer costs sub - or more place money - I hope its the former route - more place money will just lead to more dross day in day out, without backing that suggested move up with better stewarding and stricter penalties for none tryer's will only hurt the sport.
 

markfinn

Sire
Listening to Mat Chapman yesterday about the lack of atmosphere and the effect that had on the game , he then went on to discuss the possibility of allowing limited public entrants to some forthcoming meetings - he questioned whether it would work or was it even desirable , as some owners who had attended recently stated that they would not be doing so again as it was not an enjoyable experience.

Its strange when out and about, people are clearly uneasy about personal space (well the sane's one at least) I cannot imagine HMG letting anything other than highly controllable socially distanced few groups in.

So how to make racing more popular - Free to air TV coverage of all meetings, let the advertisers and bookies pick up the bill , would not be great for the course bookie - but they are looking more and more like a decidedly threatened species right now.
 

pawras

Colt
Having a large chunk of the racing coverage on a single relatively expensive channel isn't exactly doing much to encourage people to be interested. The Irish racing going to Racing TV still irks me now.

Skysports racing and Racing TV should have their versions of the ITV7 at the very least.

If on course bookies do nothing but make themselves a few ticks worse than the exchanges so they can trade it all then they'll just become an anachronism and there just for the novelty value for people on course.
 
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