We all have personal gripes and likes- what would you do make racing better for yourself - what are your disagreements with the current racing calendar and rules etc
I can't agree on that point @mick . Whist a lot of owners want a Derby win and it's won by a select band of owner/ breeders, I think the race has to compete on an International basis.so if the Derby prize money was reduced by 50k would the entries follow suit.........i think not. If you then added that 50k to a lesser grade meeting would it increase the interest and intention........i suspect yes it would.
GAM - I would not reduce the top levels as we are already falling behind - if the industry cannot afford to return £150.000.00 per meeting back into the game they are are in bad state and some redressing measuring needs to apply - but I do not believe that the money is not there - just the lack of will and personal with the the charisma and invention - to long has horse racing relied on the twin suit and pearl brigade being gifted jobs - they need to get active and front up the bookmakers to partner together and get the sport headlining.Re the prize money aspect i do not know the figs but it does appear increasingly disproportionate between the top and bottom levels
Sorry mate I could never see that happeningNo racing on Mondays and Tuesday most weeks.
Yes i take your point and perhaps its just wishful thinking because when the race was run on Wednesday i could reel off the five previous winners no problem but currently i could not name last seasons winner. Perhaps its just me but i feel the historical value of our UK racing was part of the fascination and this appears less so these days.?
The cost any cost - is measured by the value we receive and how that value equates to other worthwhile costs - these will vary from person , personally I will not pay £ 60 per month to watch golf - but I will for golf holidays golf subs - proform subs - its up to racing to offer a better product that is equal to the cost - so how would you change racing / race days to make it more attractive.It costs too much to go racing, i was told that only 3 bookies turned up at donny the other day (sounds extraordinary to me) but it only confirms that betting with on course bookies rather than betfair is accepting bad value which is a hopeless situation in the long run.
Dont they have a national body that lobby on their behalf - thought they did ?On course bookmakers expenses are huge these days time they pay the entry fees for themselves and the clerk and workman. Then they have to pay the clerk and the workman as as well. They are probably out of pocket to the tune of £500 before they bet nowadays. No wonder when its pissing down and the fields are poor they don't bother as they can work Betfair at home.
I know an on course Bookie who never bothers taking up his pitch at Wolverhampton any more because the "market" consists of shrewd late money and nothing else.That's the going rate @markfinn
It costs five times the entrance fee to get in regardless where your joint is. Pick 67 at Sedgefield was sold for £20 last year but the poor guy was so far away from the action it was pointless him even going. He still paid the same amount as the guy on Pick 1 to get in. He still had to pay his workman and clerk £120 each for the days work. So basically for the privelege of betting at the worst pick at Sedgefield it was costing him more in expenses than he was taking in bets.
Pick 54 in Tatts at the Cheltenham Festival went for £2500 and Pick 110 at Aintree GN meeting in Tatts went for 4k. Sam Black who bets on the rails on the all weather at Newcastle is selling his joints. Just no money in it.
Did he elaborate on the sources of said shrewdness.? I do recall reading about the big firms on course reps at Wolv who expected big price reductions for less money and would only give the business to those who played ball.I know an on course Bookie who never bothers taking up his pitch at Wolverhampton any more because the "market" consists of shrewd late money and nothing else.
Mostly from connections Mick and well informed regulars.Did he elaborate on the sources of said shrewdness.? I do recall reading about the big firms on course reps at Wolv who expected big price reductions for less money and would only give the business to those who played ball.