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FineForm Hybrid

brumbie

Yearling
I have been putting some of these up in the main Fineform thread in the last few days but I thought they should have their own thread. Yesterday were not too good but I will persevere for a while. I have been logging the results for the main bets only since 22nd August when I became fascinated once again by the simplicity of Clive Holts formula.
Results for the Main Bets:

SRWinP/LSRPlaceP/L
48.00%​
6.10​
79.17%​
1.08​
DateMeetingRaceTab NosW/LBFSPNet-5%HorseW/LBFSPNet-5%
22-Aug-20​
Chelmsford Races
5​
3​
0​
1.49​
-1.00​
3. ARCTIC VICTORY
0​
1.11​
-1.00​
22-Aug-20​
Killarney Races
8​
1​
1​
1.12​
0.11​
1. SLIGE DALA
1​
1.04​
0.04​
23-Aug-20​
Devonport Races
7​
2​
1​
2.49​
1.42​
2. UP WIND
1​
1.25​
0.24​
25-Aug-20​
Rockhampton Races
2​
3​
1​
1.40​
0.38​
3. I DID IT AGAIN
25-Aug-20​
Bangor-On-Dee Races
9​
4​
0​
3.10​
-1.00​
4. LE BOULEVARDIER
1​
1.84​
0.79​
25-Aug-20​
Catterick Races
1​
7​
1​
3.25​
2.14​
7. EY UP ITS MAGGIE
1​
1.31​
0.29​
26-Aug-20​
Belmont-Park Races
1​
1​
0​
7.00​
-1.00​
1. ZADOK
0​
2.06​
-1.00​
26-Aug-20​
Sandown-Hillside Races
3​
4​
1​
3.22​
2.11​
4. PEGGY SELENE
1​
1.42​
0.40​
26-Aug-20​
Lingfield Races
7​
1​
1​
3.18​
2.07​
1. NIGHT MOMENT
1​
1.46​
0.44​
28-Aug-20​
Gosford Races
3​
1​
1​
3.10​
2.00​
1. MISSION RIVER
1​
1.18​
0.17​
28-Aug-20​
Murwillumbah Races
6​
2​
0​
4.00​
-1.00​
2. TARDIS
0​
1.56​
-1.00​
28-Aug-20​
Pakenham-Park Races
2​
3​
1​
5.01​
3.81​
3. FREDERICK THE DANE
1​
1.72​
0.68​
28-Aug-20​
Cairns Races
5​
2​
0​
1.57​
-1.00​
2. DERULO
1​
1.05​
0.05​
28-Aug-20​
Goodwood Races
4​
4​
1​
1.40​
0.38​
4. LONE EAGLE
1​
1.17​
0.16​
29-Aug-20​
Rosehill Races
5​
3​
1​
2.85​
1.76​
3. ANDERS
1​
1.83​
0.79​
29-Aug-20​
Toowoomba Races
7​
6​
0​
3.43​
-1.00​
6. SONIC ARROW
1​
1.21​
0.20​
30-Aug-20​
Wyong Races
4​
9​
1​
3.49​
2.37​
9. ELIZABEEL
1​
1.46​
0.44​
30-Aug-20​
Great-Yarmouth Races
5​
5​
0​
2.26​
-1.00​
5. MASHMOOM
1​
1.38​
0.36​
31-Aug-20​
Grafton Races
4​
3​
0​
4.34​
-1.00​
3. UPRISE
1​
1.48​
0.45​
31-Aug-20​
Ripon Races
1​
1​
0​
2.32​
-1.00​
1. CHARLIE FELLOWES
1​
1.24​
0.23​
31-Aug-20​
Sandown-Park Races
1​
4​
0​
3.15​
-1.00​
4. COLOMBE
0​
1.70​
-1.00​
3-Sep-20​
Northam Races
3​
3​
0​
1.63​
-1.00​
3. PERFECT HARMONY
1​
1.13​
0.12​
3-Sep-20​
Haydock-Park Races
1​
1​
0​
1.47​
-1.00​
1. DAYSAN
1​
1.13​
0.12​
3-Sep-20​
Newcastle Races
3​
4​
1​
1.59​
0.56​
4. FIVETHOUSANDTOONE
1​
1.09​
0.09​
3-Sep-20​
Newcastle Races
5​
1​
0​
4.78​
-1.00​
1. RHOSCOLYN
0​
2.63​
-1.00​

Some days are barren of selections but looking back there are some good results from horses that very nearly became a selection and so I will include them as a 2nd line.
These selections are a hybrid of using the Fineform basic formula and some of my other thoughts of finding a selection over the years. Excel automates it all and most selections will come from Australian and UK meetings with the occasional Kiwi. Thanks.
 

retriever

Gelding
Good luck brumbie brumbie Always been a fan of the Holt formula, of sorts.
Best to have your own thread and 6 points profit for nearly 2 weeks looks very reasonable, and more importantly, stable.
 

brumbie

Yearling
Thanks retriever, unfortunately with only 1 winner from the last 8 half the profits have gone.:(
There is nothing today for the main ratings system but these are the ones that nearly got there:
MeetingRace NosHorseTab NosCH RatingCH RankCrse RankDist RankDays Rank
Down-Royal Races
3​
OMAKASE
1​
5​
1​
1​
1​
1​
Kempton-Park Races
2​
LIGHTENING SHORE
6​
2​
1​
1​
1​
1​
Thirsk Races
2​
ALBA ROSE
9​
3​
1​
1​
1​
1​
 

brumbie

Yearling
2 nice winners yesterday from the 2nd string:
LIGHTENING SHORE
9.4​
ALBA ROSE
2.68​

There is 1 selection today from the main qualifiers for Australia and a few from the 2nd string:
Main Qualifiers
MeetingRace NosHorseTab NosCH RatingCH RankCrse RankDist RankDays RankCurrent BF
Hawkesbury Races
5​
NOT ANOTHER REIBY
1​
6​
1​
1​
1​
1​
2.62​
2nd String
MeetingRace NosHorseTab NosCH RatingCH RankCrse RankDist RankDays RankCurrent BF
Gold-Coast Races
5​
ELGIN
3​
3​
1​
1​
1​
1​
4.80​
Hawkesbury Races
2​
SELEQUE
10​
3​
1​
1​
1​
1​
2.92​
Moonee-Valley Races
7​
DIRTY THOUGHTS
3​
10​
1​
1​
1​
1​
6.40​
Morphettville Races
4​
ZIPADEE
9​
3​
1​
1​
1​
1​
18.50​
Toowoomba Races
5​
PROUD ROC
1​
10​
1​
1​
1​
1​
6.40​
Any UK qualies around 10.30am UK
 
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brumbie

Yearling
Just 2 2nd string runners today:
2nd String
MeetingRace NosHorseTab NosCH RatingCH RankCrse RankDist RankDays Rank
Wexford Races
4​
REBEL WALTZ
3​
5​
1​
1​
1​
1​
Wexford Races
6​
BLAZE A TRAIL
5​
5​
1​
1​
1​
1​
 

kenny jones

Yearling
Hi Brumbie,
Do you remember Clive Holts famous quote.."Be a successful punter with Fineform as your guide"
I remember picking up a copy in a bookshop and it was an interesting read.It embodied all the logical approaches to racing.
If I remeber rightly he documented a season's betting(I think it was over the jumps)where he managed to turn quite a reasonable profit.
Kenny
 
I often read about the "Fineform Formula" and saw most made it sound as if Clive Holt used the figures to simply back the top rated blindly, so I discounted his books straight away.

Recently I brought a copy from Amazon and was suprised and happy to find that Clive Holt didn't just use the figures as standalone ratings but used them as a starting point to weed out competitive races and then read the form alongside.
 

retriever

Gelding
The line that has always stuck with me, from the front of one of his books is :-

Profitable WINNERS Always BACK Value WINNERS

clive-holt.jpg
 

kenny jones

Yearling
HI Retriever,
Did you ver read Ken Payne's autobiography,called the Coup.He started life as a window cleaner and ended up as a major trainer famous for pulling off big coups back in the 60's.I lost my copy years ago but it was a cracking read.
Ken
 

brumbie

Yearling
I think the red book "Be a successful punter with Fineform as your guide" was the first book I bought kenny and then the green one that reciever has. I couldn't put them down and read them over and over. I was fascinated by his life style of going from meetings to meetings day and night around Northern England.Before I came over here to Aus I had around 5 years supply of The Racing Post in the cupboard and I would spend hours shifting through them using his formula then trying to add that something extra, which I guess is similar to what you are doing formtheory. I think it's a great starting point.
Congrats on your HRB TREND thread reciever, I'm afraid you've got me hooked...hope you keep it going.....and don't become a window cleaner....
 

brumbie

Yearling
Todays Ratings for Australia:

Main Qualifiers
MeetingRace NosHorseTab NosCH RatingCH RankCrse RankDist RankDays RankCurrent BF
Sunshine-Coast Races
3​
BERING SEA
1​
6​
1​
1​
1​
1​
1.26​
Wingatui Races
4​
NOMEN LUDI
1​
7​
1​
1​
1​
1​
2.64​
2nd String
MeetingRace NosHorseTab NosCH RatingCH RankCrse RankDist RankDays RankCurrent BF
Alice-Springs Races
1​
THATS JUSTIFIED
1​
10​
1​
1​
1​
1​
2.12​
Gundagai Races
2​
DEEMED CORRUPT
3​
5​
1​
1​
1​
1​
4.3​
 

brumbie

Yearling
Todays UK:

Main Qualifiers
MeetingRace NosHorseTab NosCH RatingCH RankCrse RankDist RankDays RankCurrent BF
Fontwell-Park Races
1​
QULOOB
2​
8​
1​
1​
1​
1​
2.24​
2nd String
MeetingRace NosHorseTab NosCH RatingCH RankCrse RankDist RankDays RankCurrent BF
Fontwell-Park Races
4​
TALKING ABOUT YOU
7​
5​
1​
1​
1​
1​
9.6​
 

brumbie

Yearling
Nice winner yesterday @ 15.5 making it 4 from 7 in the UK. I will sort the stats out at the end of the week.
Quiet day and nothing from Australia, will update UK around 10.30am UK time.
 
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brumbie

Yearling
Thanks kenny, I couldn't believe it, I quickly switched over whilst the F1 was on, smiled and cracked a beer open...even though it was 11.45pm over here ....:handgestures-thumbup:
Just one today:
Main Qualifiers
MeetingRace NosHorseTab NosCH RatingCH RankCrse RankDist RankDays Rank
Perth Races
7​
BIG JIM DWYER
1​
4​
1​
1​
1​
1​
 

brumbie

Yearling
Quite a few today for the UK:

Main Qualifiers
MeetingRace NosHorseTab NosCH RatingCH RankCrse RankDist RankDays Rank
Galway Races
1​
FLYING VISIT
4​
4​
1​
1​
1​
1​
Goodwood Races
3​
GREYSTOKE
2​
3​
1​
1​
1​
1​
2nd String
MeetingRace NosHorseTab NosCH RatingCH RankCrse RankDist RankDays Rank
Catterick Races
3​
B FIFTY TWO
3​
5​
1​
1​
1​
1​
Goodwood Races
2​
TICK TOCH
12​
1​
1​
1​
1​
1​
Newton-Abbot Races
2​
HORSE FORCE ONE
3​
5​
1​
1​
1​
1​
 
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