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Thank you, much appreciated!
Thank you, much appreciated!
Remember it is only a speed figure with no WFA added, Bolshoi Ballet looked impressive beating a weak field.@TheBluesBrother speed figure of 80 is hardly earth shattering in a normal Group 1 race
Thanks Mike. My figures tend to be around ~20pts higher than yours usually so feels in the right ball park.Speed figure 80 running to a handicap mark on the day of 96, going +0.14s/f (good).
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Mike.
I have Bolshoi Ballet rated very highly from this race, very rare for a 3yo over this type of distance to record such a fast time, will take a good one to beat him, the odds tell the story.I know Bolshoi Ballet destroyed its opposition but is he head & shoulders above others in the Derby because it is such a weak race this year(that seems to be said every year) a TheBluesBrother speed figure of 80 is hardly earth shattering in a normal Group 1 race
*HORSE | SPEED |
Serpentine (IRE) | 115.65 |
Wings Of Eagles (FR) | 117.39 |
Masar (IRE) | 114.28 |
Anthony Van Dyck (IRE) | 109.07 |
Hi Mike,Remember it is only a speed figure with no WFA added, Bolshoi Ballet looked impressive beating a weak field.
RP WFA 1m2f 3yo 12lbs
Course notes:
The strength of this form is open to debate, with Mac Swiney surely not running up to scratch but this con of Galileo could do no more than trounce them and is a deserving Derby favourite on the back of this performance.
Mike.
It should have been 14lb, a typo.The one i have shows for 3yo over 10f in May 14lbs
Ah great thanks Mike i have the correct oneIt should have been 14lb, a typo.
Mike.
Yes T tacker i would not mind seeing this speed thing in action is the only real testing for me i dont use speed now personally.Might it be of interest if a race was chosen and all the time lads had a bash at some ratings or selections similar to the ukbf common race davejb ? Might create plenty of interest i would have thought.
As you know just adding 17lbs to my speed figures gives me the handicap it ran to, this is achievable due to the constants I use.Like you i do not use WFA but just wanted to make sure i have the correct table
RaceTime | Meeting | Date | Class | Place | Age | Distance | Going | Horse | Trainer | OR | SF |
1:35 | Ascot | 28-Apr-21 | Class 2 | 1 | 2 | 5f | Good To Firm | Chipotle | Eve Johnson Houghton | - | 61 |
4:15 | Newmarket | 2-May-21 | Class 3 | 1 | 2 | 5f | Good To Firm | Dig Two | Hugo Palmer | - | 60 |
2:30 | Brighton | 27-Apr-21 | Class 5 | 1 | 2 | 5f60yds | Good To Firm | Navello | George Boughey | - | 59 |
1:35 | Ascot | 28-Apr-21 | Class 2 | 2 | 2 | 5f | Good To Firm | The Gatekeeper | Mark Johnston | - | 58 |
5:00 | Nottingham | 7-May-21 | Class 5 | 1 | 2 | 5f8yds | Good To Soft | Flaming Rib | Tom Dascombe | - | 57 |
2:15 | Ripon | 15-Apr-21 | Class 5 | 1 | 2 | 5f | Good | Khunan | Richard Fahey | - | 56 |
4:45 | Doncaster | 24-Apr-21 | Class 5 | 1 | 2 | 5f3yds | Good To Firm | Armor | Richard Hannon | - | 55 |
1:15 | Newmarket | 14-Apr-21 | Class 4 | 1 | 2 | 5f | Good | Desert Dreamer | Stuart Williams | - | 54 |
4:40 | Tipperary (IRE) | 20-Apr-21 | 1 | 2 | 5f | Yielding | Elliptic | Donnacha Aidan O'Brien | - | 54 | |
1:45 | Beverley | 11-May-21 | Class 5 | 1 | 2 | 5f | Good To Soft | Aleezdancer | Kevin Ryan | - | 53 |
1:45 | Chester | 5-May-21 | Class 2 | 1 | 2 | 5f15yds | Good To Soft | Navello | George Boughey | - | 53 |
2:00 | Pontefract | 28-Apr-21 | Class 4 | 2 | 2 | 5f3yds | Good To Firm | Khunan | Richard Fahey | - | 53 |
1:40 | Beverley | 22-Apr-21 | Class 5 | 1 | 2 | 5f | Good To Firm | Out In Yorkshire | Mark Johnston | - | 52 |
4:45 | Doncaster | 24-Apr-21 | Class 5 | 2 | 2 | 5f3yds | Good To Firm | El Caballo | K R Burke | - | 52 |
1:00 | Salisbury | 2-May-21 | Class 3 | 2 | 2 | 5f | Good | Out In Yorkshire | Mark Johnston | - | 52 |
1:25 | Naas (IRE) | 26-Apr-21 | 1 | 2 | 5f205yds | Good | Contarelli Chapel | A P O'Brien | - | 52 | |
1:00 | Ayr | 26-Apr-21 | Class 3 | 1 | 2 | 5f | Good To Firm | Vintage Clarets | Richard Fahey | - | 52 |
1:50 | Nottingham | 27-Apr-21 | Class 5 | 1 | 2 | 5f8yds | Good To Firm | Fabiosa | David Evans | - | 51 |
1:35 | Newmarket | 13-Apr-21 | Class 4 | 1 | 2 | 5f | Good | Forca Brasil | George Boughey | - | 51 |
1:15 | Newmarket | 14-Apr-21 | Class 4 | 2 | 2 | 5f | Good | Bellarena Lady | Ed Dunlop | - | 51 |
1:10 | Dundalk (AW) (IRE) | 10-Apr-21 | 1 | 2 | 5f | Standard | Cadamosto | A P O'Brien | - | 51 | |
4:15 | Newmarket | 2-May-21 | Class 3 | 2 | 2 | 5f | Good To Firm | Secret Strength | Richard Hannon | - | 51 |
1:40 | Beverley | 14-Apr-21 | Class 5 | 1 | 2 | 5f | Good To Firm | Boonie | Kevin Ryan | - | 50 |
4:05 | Kempton (AW) | 31-Mar-21 | Class 5 | 1 | 2 | 5f | Standard To Slow | Thunder Love | George Boughey | - | 50 |
1:00 | Salisbury | 2-May-21 | Class 3 | 1 | 2 | 5f | Good | Silver Bullet Lady | Roger Charlton | - | 50 |
5:20 | Windsor | 26-Apr-21 | Class 4 | 1 | 2 | 5f21yds | Good To Firm | Spring Is Sprung | Michael Bell | - | 50 |
3:05 | Ascot | 8-May-21 | Class 3 | 1 | 2 | 5f | Soft | Go Bears Go | David Loughnane | - | 50 |
It definitely brings something new to the betting picture. Just got to find your own way of making it work , seeing what's effective and what isn't.Yes T tacker i would not mind seeing this speed thing in action is the only real testing for me i dont use speed now personally.
It definitely brings something new to the betting picture. Just got to find your own way of making it work , seeing what's effective and what isn't.
Best way to do it I think is just to bet it, it's the only true test. Spreadsheets and paper tests only get you so far in my opinion
When it comes to the going, if I have a speed figure that was on ground within one description of what I'm expecting then I'm happy, otherwise it gets a bit too much like splitting hairs and you're relying on a clerks description. So if I've got figure on soft I'm happy to trust the figure for Good-Soft / Heavy. But I would probably run a line through it if it was running on Good or better next time out.I would imagine with shorter races they could be best and around 9 stone if that is what they are calculated to now, i use to use the split second ones, but the trouble is knowing the right going when betting that was the main problem i had with them, so in the end i just used them as a general guide to the pace overall of a qualifying race.