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ArkRoyal

Administrator
I have changed the Forum 'Trophy' levels.
All members that have not made a post and received a like will have a title of 'Lurker' before becoming a 'Yearling'.

Unfortunately some members that have made a number of posts are being incorrectly identified as being a Lurker. My apologies if you fall fall into this category.
I am trying to address this issue.

AR
 

student

Yearling
Hi there

re Lurking. Probably guilty as I have done a lot of reading of topics to find out where I may be able to help based on my own research. I'm a contrarian to most racing analysts so I doubt that much of my research would fit in with where most members are coming from at the present time. My experience of other forums is that analysts have put a lot of time in getting to where they are and are naturally reluctant to start again in a different place - I've got that t-shirt. But just occassionally I feel that I can help with an idea that may nudge someone in a useful direction.

Given the above, I volunteered to take over composting duties for my community allotment group recently - as no other member wanted to do it. Besides explaining my absence from the forum since August (?) - hot composting 8 cubic metre bins requires continual management taking temperatures and adjusting recipes and methods - the link with this forum may not be obvious at first glance.

But I was in the position of a beginner at racing, or at anything else. I can’t grow a weed. But in the case of composting, there is some solid science that has been published (academic researchers have to publish their results to continue to get research funding). So I hit the books but cross checked everything I read; did the advice make sense, did it relate to my situation, did users of this science get the results expected, and so on.

In contrast to the competitive nature of investment, detailed ideas are not fully disclosed in race reading and analysis for obvious reasons. So the comparison between my composting and racing research begs many questions. Instead of finding the best researchers in the world in composting, in racing, I listened to what top jockeys said; Dettori, Johnny Murtagh, Alan Munro, Mick Kinane, etc. Particularly about effects of going, weight carried, pace, race riding. Others jocks may have had good racing records but didn’t share things, and a few others would put you away due to other motives. Research was necessary to work out which ones to listen to.

As statisticians do, before starting to compost, I designed several trials to test the most promising ideas from research for what my growers wanted to get out of using the finished compost (as I did when taking a new approach to reading racing form when I retired from lecturing in 2003).

Now, when I wake up each morning, the first thing I think about is composting, not horse racing (as it has been for 50+ years). Sad, isn’t it?

But now the compost piles are all hibernating over winter, I can get back to the quest to predict when a horse is likely to return to its best or when it will achieve a new best performance (just when the market doesn't expect it).

You may see me around again but I promise not to mention composting.
 

mick

Sire
Welcome back @student to my forum nose your compost always smells good. :) Re your jockey investigations did you ever include apprentice riders ? sometimes innocent honesty beats put us away experience. ?
 

student

Yearling
Hi Mick

re Apprentice comments.

No.

I did two large data analyses on trainers comments. One was the annual round of reporters visiting stables before the turf season started. Found some cases where year after year the trainer failed to mention many of the horses that turned out to be the better ones. And didn't quite match up with the usual comment after a win 'we've always thought s/he was a good one'. Understandable when most owners wound not want to their horses over touted.

The second one was the 2yo annual - forgotten the name of the guy who did that collosal work each year interviewing trainers on prospects. Obviously more speculative with having to assess 2yos before they had raced. But even so, included some 'odd' patterns in prediction vs achievement.

Re the jocks comments; those are picked up at random if I'm around when racing on TV. I'd scribble down what they said (including when they are on a panel of commentators) and cross check with what my research showed.

But I take your point re apprentices. Out of the mouth of babes ........
 

Thomas

Filly
Must say I can't wait for tomorrow, to see if I am still a yearling :bigboss: or promoted to something bigger :handgestures-thumbup:...or downgraded to a lurker :stinker:
 

muddypaws

Yearling
My viewings of this forum are sporadic to say the least because I keep forgetting about it.:) Sorry.

But yesterday for the first time in a while I found the site again and had a peruse of what was happening. Good knowledge as ever.

And i've been called much worse than a lurker so no problem to me.:D
 

OnTheNod

Gelding
Yes i was going to say that some people are more introverted and have a job writing and expressing themselves well, or even mixing with people in general so more outgoing folk may have a job to view their ways somtimes.
 

Chesham

Sire
yes people i am a lurker never denied it just the type of person i am dont talk a lot either. thanks patrick
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This is true and you wear the badge with such pride too. We only live to give you something to read, thanks for your help, without your selfless dedication to read everything, the Forum would have closed years ago.

I will have a chat with @mlmrob to see if we should invite you to join The Blog as we don’t have a Blog Member who only reads Posts.
 
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OnTheNod

Gelding
He has made quite a few posts though @Chesham some dont make any their are just the takers which is not good i admit, but some are not that good with ideas maybe is best just encourage them more that could help, on the guitar forum some only post very little but can have some good things to say at times.
 

OnTheNod

Gelding
Although i see he has not post for over 2 years now unless he has been busy at his job which always must come first, forums can get adictive like alot of things in life.
 

Chesham

Sire
He has made quite a few posts though @Chesham some dont make any their are just the takers which is not good i admit, but some are not that good with ideas maybe is best just encourage them more that could help, on the guitar forum some only post very little but can have some good things to say at times.

I go to a Guitar Group session every 2 weeks, usually around 10 to 15. Turn up above the Pub. Imagine if only one actually played and the rest not joined in, what a great evening that would be.

The idea of being a member of a Guitar Forum has never appealed to me, I much prefer to socialise with other Guitar Players in person. Sounds great too.

With regards to above member, yes he did used to write “Thanks for the Tip” what would we do without him reading the posts.
 

Chesham

Sire
Although i see he has not post for over 2 years now unless he has been busy at his job which always must come first, forums can get adictive like alot of things in life.
You mean he is an addictive reader. I like that. We should start a Thread where we post only for the addictive reader.
 

OnTheNod

Gelding
Hi @Chesham!! Glad you go to the guitar sessions that is great, but many like to play at home also just as a hobby but also many of the great guitarist were very quiet also remember, and needed a lot of courage to perform live even lead some to drugs which was a great shame really.

Well yes lets hope he may start posting then if we encourage him a little who knows.
 

Chesham

Sire
Hi @Chesham!! Glad you go to the guitar sessions that is great, but many like to play at home also just as a hobby but also many of the great guitarist were very quiet also remember, and needed a lot of courage to perform live even lead some to drugs which was a great shame really.

Well yes lets hope he may start posting then if we encourage him a little who knows.
Your right about the Drugs, half us are on BP meds and Statins. I think we should have a nurse on stand by, just in case.
 
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OnTheNod

Gelding
Your right about the Drugs, half us are on BP meds and Statins. I think we should have a nurse on stand by, just in case.
I know not sure how good they are though i still take them they gave me when i first had diabetes, but maybe the exercise and training i do helps more, but am grateful i can still do it i suppose to many who cant they must be a great help to them.

I think music has calm down now and the worship not so great even, so very few take them now is just like a job of work more and their bread and butter.
 
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